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Secularism is not atheism : Comments

By Max Wallace, published 10/11/2008

Secularism is a form of neutral government that listens to all points of view. Militant and some moderate Christians don’t want that.

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Runner,
You have been judged and found guilty of serial statistics abuse .
It is proven that on this date you did willfully confuse cause and effect an made unsubstaniated conclusions from these greivously dishonoured facts.
It is there for my duty to sentence youto a public Raspberrying.
Th..th...wer...t! :-)
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 5:15:01 PM
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Runner,

If Secularism promoted and encouraged divorce, or even made it compulsory, then you may have partially had a point.

But it doesn't, so you don't.

Secularism remains neutral on the issue of divorce, unlike religion which rigidly and dogmatically forces people to stay in unhappy and unhealthy relationships.

Therefore, your conclusion that secularism is to blame for everything you posted is a non sequitur.

Not only are you ignoring the unseen effects that being forced to stay in an unhappy marriage would have had, but you fail to realise that the dangers of not remaining neutral on these matters would far outweigh the dangers of adhering strictly to a dogmatic religion of any sort. Especially when there are so many different ways religions can be interpreted.

P.S. Secularism is not a religion, and thus cannot have "high priests" (nor "dogma" for that matter).
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 5:16:50 PM
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Mr Right, absolute rubbish. They have big numbers. Small minority indeed. Learn to count at least. There are 20% atheists, and growing thank the non existent God for that. Which leaves a small minority of 80%.

People don't know the ruling monarch of Britain is the head of the Church? Well it is new, only hundreds of years so how could anyone know that?

The Christian prayers in Parliament are an affront to all Australians and certainly do not represent the behaviour of those saying the words. It is neither historical or symbolism. It is an insult to all the non Christian Australians. Why don't they read a prayer for each and every religion and one for atheists. I'll write it.

Federal govts give money to religious schools because they are forced to vote wise. It is not cheaper at all.It's counter productive and divisive.

Examinator, sorry, you didn't read what he wrote clearly. It's 90% rubbish.

For the author to claim any government is secular is incorrect. The USA he even includes in that group. Listen to the leaders of every country and they praise God, or Allah or whatever the local title is. Particularly at election time as both Obama and McCain did repetetively.

I'm with Russia, and the ancient Roamns. Get rid of this blight on society. Millions following a fantasy suited to people 2000 years ago is a form of mental illness. Lock em all up.
Posted by pegasus, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 5:20:01 PM
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Runner

Every one of your 'statistical sources' is foreign and most are spurious.

You "... say again that secularism has done more to destroy the family unit than any other philosophy. Its high priests and followers are just to pig headed to face up to the destruction it has and is causing in society."

I'll let you in on a well-known secret in the social sciences: Ever since Goering, people have realized that no matter how often you repeat untruths, the reality will not be changed. Please try again.
Posted by Spikey, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 5:51:02 PM
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Hey Pegasus.... you say the prayer does not reflect the behavior of those saying it in Parliament.. so.. from this you jump to lets get rid of it... true?

Here's a thought.. instead of removing the prayer..why not remove the sin from the hearts of those who mouth it.. then their hearts and mouths would be in harmony and Australia a better place :)
Posted by Polycarp, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:30:58 PM
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I'm going with the anti scientists. let's face it, the finest minds the world has produced for thousands of years have pondered, experimented, theorised, invented, engineered and thought about it a bit, and have they been able to answer the big questions?
NO!
Much better to just take the word of primitive tribesmen who lived thousands of years ago, and who KNEW (that capital yelling thing is something I learnt from Polycarp) without question that:
the world is flat
the sun and moon (and stars) travel around the Earth
most medical afflictions could be cured by attaching leaches -to just the right places
witches should be stoned to death
women (not men) should be stoned for sex outside marriage.
No, forget about science. Why do we need it, when we can just take the word of these ancients?
After all, they wouldn't lie to us, right?
Posted by Grim, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 8:32:50 PM
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