Paul never met JC and his writings cover material specific to many deities dating to several thousand years BCE; annunciation, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension. All relate to a Pagan astrological allegory most spectacularly refined by the Egyptians' Horus & Osiris.
Then, Krishna, Attis -Phrygia, Dionysus/Bacchus, Mithra of Persia, Zoroaster, Zarathustra...
http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/parallels_chart.htm

Nonetheless; "Theology of Money" series: Prosperity Theory, Paul.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=swW1VhoQ_pg

"13th Disciple from Hell"
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=U8kB6WvXX0c&feature=related

"For the priests who abuse children, the church openly admits it is an error (sinning) against God and great harm has been done to the victims. Apologies and compensation has been paid to the aggrieved party." - mayby not always so openly and certainly not always willingly. Many still seem to be waiting for the apology and compensation.

http://www.toowoombapressreleases.com/?id=123568
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=4046
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/03/24/25usa-priests.htm
http://www.catholica.com.au/gc2/occ/013_occ_210608.php
http://www.hsnsw.asn.au/articles/VptsQ207.pdf - Search for Liz O'Donnell
http://www.shoal.net.au/~mwoa/in_defence/statement_sabalaskey.html
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/ethcont84.htm
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/ethicscontents2.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/brethren-bid-to-hide-sex-assaults/2006/12/29/1166895479254.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/06/20/1087669848719.html
http://tor.id.au/article.php?story=20080312112602436&mode=print
http://www.deception.com.au/1999_2005.htm (some might find this one offensive )
http://brokenrites.alphalink.com.au/
etc, etc, etc...

Robert

Hi Ludwig.....

I accept your mild poke on the other (Lords Prayer in Parliament) thread and try to respond.

Your issue seems to be about Christians not embracing sustainability?

Mate..where in the world do you get that idea from ?

I'm totally PRO sustainability, and I don't know any brothers and sisters who are not.

We were given stewardship of the eath.. ie...the responsibility to keep it going..not destroy it.

blessings.

That hurt! Fell clean awf me chair and cracked m’ numbskull on the tiled floor! OUWW!

Oh the shock of Polycarp actually responding!

Thanks mate. Much appreciated. I hope a bit of dialogue can now ensue on this vitally important subject of the connection between Christianity and sustainability. This ‘mass delusions’ thread is surely the place for it.

“Your issue seems to be about Christians not embracing sustainability?”

Mmm yeayus….that is corrrect.

“Mate..where in the world do you get that idea from ?”

Maaaate, where do I start?

Um…how about the fact ol’ Ludwig is posting on this forum about sustainability and related issues at a tremendous rate n has been fa three years…and the number of supportive responses from the numerous prolific Christian posters has been…well….next to nil.

How about the effort I had to go to (with numerous cross-posted reminders) to get a response to this issue on this thread (still failed to get runner to respond).

How about runner’s extremely anti-green sentiments as expressed elsewhere numerous times?

I heard an interesting segment on Breakfast on Radio National yesterday morning, from green evangelist Reverend Richard Cizik. It gave a clear idea of where Christianity is in relation to environmentalism and sustainability in the US. I can’t imagine it is any different in Oz.

Some quotes;

“Green evangelism is in its infancy”

“This is a moral calling””

“we have to integrate the idea that we have to live sustainably”

http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/player_launch.pl

The Christian / environmentalism relationship is extremely primaeval. And any semblance of meaningful support for sustainability is yet to be realised.

Polycarp: “I'm totally PRO sustainability”

Excellent. But I'm not at all sure about your bro's and sis's.

"Unless you compare it with the fundamentalist secular humanist who can murder the unborn and claim their is nothing wrong with it or yourself who seems very quick to judge and slow to listen." - Runner

The Christian god the progeny of Adan & Eve to inherit original
sin.

Runner: Could God prevent miscarriages? What do you think of a divinity whom kills the unborn?

Oliver you ask

'Runner: Could God prevent miscarriages? What do you think of a divinity whom kills the unborn?'

The simple answer to that is yes. If God can create the universe then He can certainly prevent a holocaust or a mis carriage or a rape.

Now you tell me what gives you the moral authority to judge that killing is wrong? (in some cultures cannibalism is looked up to while in others marrying young girls as young as 6 or 7 is legal). So where is your authority to say what is right and wrong?

It is interesting that you seem to throw a dark shadow over God's character. When a plane crashes and some die and others live God's character is called into question and yet when a woman gets to choose whether to kill her child or not you call it choice because it is her 'moral' choice.

One theologian (Ravi Zacharias) rightly says that we can't have free will without suffering. In other words we can't have choice without consequences. We can choose to love or choose to hate. Both have consequences. We all choose to sin and then complain about the evil consequences. Simply in a evil sin cursed world babies will die. We don't need to add to that evil by helping them die.

A time will come when evil will be done away with. Jesus showed He had power over every evil. He rose from the dead and has offered eternal life to all those who would turn from their own evil hearts and allow Him to cleanse them. Throwing doubts over God's character was the very thing that the serpent did to Adam and Eve. I know that no man would be able to show us a greater love than that Christ should die for a wretch like you or me.