With a Nuky little Israel so anxious to fire the first shot, knowing that America has given her the okay, does mean that without all-out war over jealousy of Iran, the only future for the Middle-East without an all powerful decent democratic United Nations, will be not much different to what it is right now.

Maybe except for a neo-colonialist Pax Americana determined to stick in the Green Zone, still lying to the world public that her oil billionares are not after the last best of the world's oil.

Have a Nice Day?

Cheers - BB, Buntine, WA.

"With a Nuky little Israel so anxious to fire the first shot,"

If any country was anxious about firing the first shot - it would not be Israel. There is difference between being a Nuclear state and wanting to wipe a nation off the map. An omission here is equal to a lie.

"knowing that America has given her the okay,"

America did not assist Israel with her Nuclear program, and was totally against it. France did assist. America got her nuclear abilities from jewish know-how, and she should rightly be grateful to them. Omissions will get you nowhere.

"does mean that without all-out war over jealousy of Iran,"

Is Israel jealous of a state boasting Nazi aspiratuoins, or is there also an existential issue here? Why is Israel not jealous of France, UK, Russia and US? Omissions galore here.

"the only future for the Middle-East without an all powerful decent democratic United Nations, will be not much different to what it is right now."

What took so long to decide, and why the deflection with Israel?

"Maybe except for a neo-colonialist Pax Americana"

Last time I checked the map, a host of other country's lands were being demanded, in India, China, Indonesia, Israel, and even demanding Shariah law in Europe & Australia. And all those nations predate the Arab race. Yet America is called pax. Omissions?

"determined to stick in the Green Zone, still lying to the world public that her oil billionares are not after the last best of the world's oil."

It was America which built the oil facilities in Arabia, and it is only recently the other nations can pay for oil: Arab wealth was made possible by America. But since the regime states are illegal, carved by Briton on corrupt, non-historical borders - oil is a natural asset of mother earth, and there is nothing wrong in securing oil on commercial terms - its like water. Far worse is when non-muslims are denied their place in the Middle-east, than targeting America.

bushbred,

Since you are so concerned with the balance of power, here are two articles on the maintenance of the same:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1014074.html

http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2008/08/26/55498.html

Syria is trying to play games well above its weight division, especially now that Moscow has reason to be concerned not to antagonize Israel (which would immediately provide Georgia with Merkava IV's, which Georgia already wants).

PS How is it that if the balance of powers is so skewed that Israel has finalised peace-treaties with Egypt & Jordan?

As long as Hamas believes all of Israel is an 'Islamic Waqf'

There will never be peace.

As long as the west views such theological ideas through 'secular' eye glasses... they will never understand WHY peace is not acheivable.

The tragedy of the west is it's lack of understanding of historical Islam and the faith itself. They 'project' ideas of 'tolerance and diversity' onto people who's biological and theological roots go back 1000s of years...

They.. just don't 'get it'

They might benefit greatly by reading Genesis to Kings and put away their 'Political Correctness/Human Rights 101' comics.

Such a well balanced and sensible article.

But as so often happens with Online articles few commentators appear to have absorbed the contents of the original.

So, instead of pursuing the issues raised in the article posters such as Bushbred completely spoil the thread.

Haganah Bet and Coy, our well-founded studies tell us, we are ready to argue much much more.

But just right now personally, I am about to begin Ron Susskind's latest book called The Way of the World (A Story of Truth and Hope in an Age of Extremism)

Might even make me change my mind about things?

however< Haganah Bet< must point out that two of the nations you refer to< egypt and jordan< who have agreed with israel< happen to be under the wings of the US of A>

Might also point out< that Mubarek of Egypt when cornered by a UK reporter< did admit that the real problem for years in the Middle East has been Western intrusion and injustice>

"Might also point out< that Mubarek of Egypt when cornered by a UK reporter< did admit that the real problem for years in the Middle East has been Western intrusion and injustice"

The middle-east does NOT belong to Muslims, nor does it mean other peoples, who predate islam and the Arab race, have no rights in this region. It is hardly the US, one sole ally of Israel, which is doing the injustice, but the Arab regimes, fostering corrupt doctrines against others. It is Europe who created the Regime states, disregarding the rights of all others, including the Jews, Coptics, Druse, Kurds and Christians - this was not America's doings. Briton dished our vast lands to individual families, put crowns on the heads, and made the lands the personal and private ownership of those Monarchs: this was the corruption which stalks the world today - it caused millions of innocent peoples being killed, and allowed these regimes to promote poisonous agendas throughout the world. This caused 9/11 and all terrorist bombings from Briton, Spain, Australia, Indonesia, India and China: nothing whatsoever to do with America or oil or lands.

There was no US or Palestinian issue when the Arab states declared genocide on athe UN re-established state of Israel in '48 - nor was any land issue involved - Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem was in Arab hands. Yet we see no UN Resolution against its worst violation - how come? Please explain what are the rights of Israel, which is varied from the rights of the post-60's Muslim Palestinians?

We have said many times, Iam Joseph, that the UN has been a failed entity ever since America took charge.

Notice that it is nearly always the unelected Cindy Rice who moves in ahead of the UN.

Also it is an historical fact that America has inherited Britain's ME mistakes.

It was after the end of WW2 that the Yanks first joined the Brits in the thieving of Middle East oil - Iran's at the time.

Cheers, BB.

The Israeli warmongers and their supporters are at it again.

How can they justify an attack on a neighbour and then expect the attacked not to respond. Beyond my comprehension.

If Israel attacks Iran it will be obliterated. Iran already has the missiles with the ability to deliver destruction to Israel. And so has Hezbollah.

Hey Hagweasel: Mate those fabulous Merkava IV's were useless in Lebanon. Don't you remember? And mate I think Putin would severely threaten Israel if Israel started to try to meddle in it's affairs and relations with it's immediate neighbours. I'll scratching my head wondering what are the limits to your wish for aggressive involvement in others affairs and your warmongering.

Punching above it's weight is something Israel might find itself doing once the US starts to insist on moves to peace in the mideast..

Syria is holding the aces (Long-term) and Israel will have to deal with them in a reasonable manner eventually. Of course you with your blinkered vision cannot recognise the realities.

The peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan were forced upon Israel by the Yanks after Sadat's efforts. Jez don't you read history?

Peace will come to the mid East when Israel stops it's illegal expansion and desists with it's occupation, persecution and repression of the Palestinians.

And you want to watch developments in the US. I think the major players are finally shrugging free of all the old contraints and that will also eventually include the Israeli lobby.

"How can they justify an attack on a neighbour and then expect the attacked not to respond. Beyond my comprehension."

Beyond comprehension is that Iran's nazi-styled goals are forgotten. The Arabs are now occupying 82% of the land allocated to Israel in the Balfour - and they still call for her destruction and question her right to exist. Fact is, Israel is not a ficticious state made from oil borders 120 years ago - and she is the only state re-established legally via the UN.

Thus far, 100s of 1000s of innocent folk have been murdered across the globe, directly because of S. Arabia and Iran's oil $ funding and poisonous doctrines.

Israel has never invaded any neighbours nor occupied anyone else's lands in all her 4000 year history. The Regimes belong in Gitmo long ago. Israel's light unto the nations is being made manifest - from Europe and America, to China, India and Australia. The disdained truth wins, and those who clung to falsehoods are enraged.

" the UN has been a failed entity ever since America took charge."

Yes, the UN Madarasa is a failed entity, and the US and Israel should abandon this body. The greatest violation in the UN's history - is one still without a Resolution #. Israel, a UN established state, was subjected to a multi-state arab attack in '48, with a declared goal of genocide - after the attacking parties actually voted in the UN Motion. At this time there was yet no Pretend Pals invented, nor was any of the lands in the current conflict in Israel's hands: this was nothing other than Nazi-styled genocide goals - and no UN Reso - the cause of the continueing conflict! That the UN made no resolution against its financing Regimes - made this attack repeated four times - and terrorism became an international phenomenon. Israel is a light unto the nations - and she has never been wrong to date. Howzat!?

The UN is what it is not because of America, but because of Briton, who established these monster Regimes, handing them great swats of lands as their personal and private property [sic] - the cause of upto 5 million inncent people murdered the past 100 years. Briton was a non-fictional Judas for 30 barrels of oil.

These Regime infested lands should be abolished - or hell with come to those who play dumb blonde. Jordan should be dismantled and the dwarf sent back to the Saudi swampland he came from, half of Egypt should be given to the Coptics - they predate the Arab race, the Kurds, who also predate the Arabs should be given Iraq, and Lebanon should be made 100% Christian. India should also take back her two states, which Briton carved out to please its Regimes. Today, there is terrorism in China and Thailand - with demands of lands to become islamic. Britonistan is today rightly facing what she wanted for Israel: Islamization.

Watch out Eurostan and Australia - Shariah Law is crouching on your doorsteps while you obsess for a new golf course in soccer-sized Israel.

For those who wish for Tiny Israel to retain its most modern Atomic Armoury, please endeavour to attend University Lectures on the scientific principles of Strategic Power Balancing.

Cheers, BB, Buntine, WA.

"Strategic Power Balancing. "

Very sanctimonously said. But no nation has more right and justice to protecting herself. In the pre-50's, Israel was 3 times attacked with a declared goal of genocide - there was no outcry then, no UN Resolution, and none were taken to task to date.

There is a difference between power balancing and existentialism balancing. At least the nazis were 'honest' about their doctrines and said it plain - they never resorted to Pretend Pals and occupation spinology.

Iam Joseph, suggest that you contact Henry Kissinger and see if he has changed his mind about his recently found declaration that the official mind-shutting to a nuclear-armed Israel with no other nuclear opposition in the Middle-East was asking for future hate and trouble.

Kissinger is also one of many who is backing militarial nuclear banishment, different to Condoleeza Rice who has stupidly offered India mind and materials to increase its nuclear capabilities.

Much better you talk to a few qualified historians, Iam Joseph, than your apparent unqualified friends.

"Henry Kissinger and see if he has changed his mind about his recently found declaration that the official mind-shutting to a nuclear-armed Israel with no other nuclear opposition in the Middle-East was asking for future hate and trouble."

America gave no assistance to Israel in Nuclear technology. While France did in the 50's, it should be understood this know-how came from Jews in the first place, and at that time there was no need to acquire Nuclear weapons. Ot was a jew who gave this know-how to Russia - because it was not appropriate only one nation should have such weaponry. But there is a non-negotiable goal to wipe Israel off the map - a subtle point not factored in with the Kissenger deflection.

Israel is one of the very few nations which has never stolen anyone's lands in her 4000 year history - despite being the world's most displaced peoples across the nations. This does not mean any nation would assist Israel if push came to shove - most of the west is now realising Israel is only the first to be attacked and not the last: FIRST THE SATURDAY PEOPLE - THEN THE SUNDAY PEOPLE.

"Condoleeza Rice who has stupidly offered India mind and materials to increase its nuclear capabilities."

Its the first correct thing by stupid Condy: India is perhaps the world's most hospitable nations and peoples - she lost two states to Pakistan and Bangladesh, and is now facing horrific terrorism for Kashmir. IMHO, India should take back the two states and boot out the Muslims to Saudi Arabia. Else she will never find any peace: Israel now has a mere 12% of the land allocated her in the Balfour - and is still hounded with the post-60's invented Pretend Pals and Occupation lie. What is it that Israel should be doing to please your kind - do you want to see a new golf course in soccer-sized Israel?