I couldn't let this go without comment:

"They all [Israli Arabs] are Israeli citizens enjoying the same rights privileges and opportunities open to the Jewish majority other than being required to serve in the armed forces."

Arab Israelis are excluded from jobs, must attend segregated under funded schools, face limitations on buying and owning land - the list could go on. They even face restrictions on who they can marry. You have to go to back to the Nüremburg laws to find comparible discrimination. All this in the name of a 'pure' Jewish state.

Yet this guy is trying to tell us Arab Israelis enjoy the same 'rights and priviliges' as Jews! We really get taken for fools by our Jewish friends.

Keith

Shooting the messenger and ignoring the message is not very productive. Obama has made it clear he does not accept the Arab demand that former Arab residents and their descendants should be allowed to return and live in Israel. Pursuing this demand can only ensure that no new Arab State will emerge between Israel and Jordan should Obama become the next American President.

Dear Keith....

you quote Washington...

… Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men.

Neglecting of course that the defense of that defense was in reality A WAR!

Now. given that "my paid zionist accomplice" David Singer, is also using the Hamas (and Palestinian) charter as his reference, do you not see some problems with allowing this 'democratically elected' body to run anything among the Palestinians?

Did you not hear "Sheikh"(aka thug) Feiz quote his own prophet when saying that "the rocks will cry out 'There is a Jew behind me, kill him'"

....and don't you consider that Feiz and Hamaz are twin brothers of the salafist/wahabist mould?

The only 'non-Israeli-dominance' scenario for the region is a very baddddd one for Jews.

I've never heard this 'solution' suggested by Singer before, but I think in reality it is the best! after all this. Absorb Gaza into Egypt, some of West bank into Jordan and the rest Israel.(including the whole of Jerusalem)

Think about it. Then the terrorism that the palestinians cleary don't care enough about to control (Rockets, suicide bombings) will be dealt with by NON Palestinian forces bigger than them.(But not Israeli, so they can't blame the Jews) Israel will have no reason to launch rockets against them.. WORLD PEACE will ensue :)

The main drawbacks to this of course, are written in blood in the history books. Jordan has already tasted the 'palestinian' ingredient in their national life and after the PLO tried to take over the place, they drove them out into Lebanon.

Hmmm.. maybe world peace is a bit of a way off yet?

I'll just reiterate my only real fair dinkum solution.. Jews and Muslims, join with the Christians already there under the Lordship of Christ rather than man..and then there WILL be at least regional peace.

David Singer
I'm non-violent and usually oppose violence- unlike those you support. I don't kill or intentionally harm anyone.

You won't have any credibility until you addresss the land stealing and illegal settlements.

Have you checked Obama's position on the land stealing and illegal occupation? I think you'll find it the same as George's.

Turn

The issue of land stealing is simple: it is outlawed under the Geneva Convention. ie International convention and law. It is very simple and straightforward. All Liberal Democratic nations abide by it. Those activities of land stealing and settlement of occupied lands are outlawed. The solution is simple. Return the lands occupied or place them under the soverignity of the new Palestinian state.
And it seems the logic used in David Singer's argument might support return to 1948 borders, or the original demarcation of the original UN mandate. How'd ya like them apples?

Boaz

Why do you continually use the fruphy of Palestinian reactive violence to excuse Israel's disgraceful illegalities. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Quote your 'book' all you like, I prefer the wisdom of men who have accepted and grown within and assisted the growth of our Western Liberal Democratic tradition. So much fairer, realistic and less violent.

You cannot hide from nor misintrepret nor twist their ideas and writings as you can the mismash of crap in your pre New Testament 'book'.

Keep it up, Keith, if you are going by the Geneva Convention.

Trouble is, thought with Israel's lawbreaking through going illegally Nukei'', Geneva is right out of the Palestine picture, anyhow?

Cheers, BB

Dear Keith....

My main focus is on the depth of the problem.

You seem to think from your distance and mindset that there is a simple solution 'if only they would' do such and such.

I've spoken in the past about 'final solutions' because in all honesty I think a decisive victory of one side or the other would fix it all up quick smart.

Then people know where they stand.. and get on with building new lives as every displaced people has had to do.

Please have a look at this vid and you will catch a glimpse of the issue from the Israeli and Arab viewpoints.

Notice how quickly it boiled down to 'Islam/Judaism' and the relative religious history of Islam and Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpMhAzj-Tk

Kedar "It's been our capital for 3000 years.. always has been, always will be"

Arab "Please dont say things offensive to Muslims" ....

Kedar "Jerusalem not even mentioned in the Quran"

Arab ..changes subject.

Please let me know your thoughts on this?