Anzac Harmony

The same old spurious argument, that the incompetence and bad faith of the Palestinian and Arab leadership,such as it is, somehow negate the rights of individuals to their land and liberties and justifies the continuous expansion of the settlements. The people of Palestine cannot be denied an existence, or be presented with the bill for the Holocaust. As long as Israel has overwhelming military superiority and remains America's favorite it will do pretty much as it pleases. We will probably live to see the last Palestinian.

You're a funny bugger mac!
I'll assume that you are of european descent or at least embracing western values.
You sit typing away at a machine developed as a result of centuries of our collective inventiveness brought about by our inability to co-exist comfortably with our neighbour states for any extended period of time. This inventiveness allowed the development of technology to threaten or force detente with those we presumed to be agin us. And you are comfortable with that, obviously, adopting a do-gooder attitude when it suits.
You presume to "tut-tut" Israel, a country whose peoples have pro-actively responded to ill-fated attempts, such attempts being freely advertised, to remove her from history.
Take your guilt trip privately and quietly. You'll probably gain more through contemplation and by not listening to the annoying voice in your head.
;-)

yes MAC.. you are indeed a funny bgr....

You said:

"somehow negate the rights of individuals to their land and liberties and justifies the continuous expansion of the settlements."

and..you SAID this from the comfort of your (wherever) in Australia (presumably) built on stolen land...

You overflow with sympathy for Palestinians a million miles away but say nothing of Indigenous Aussies who's land we inhabit.

Perhaps you 'are' indigenous? but I rather doubt it.

Even if you were, you might like to address every other squabble in history while ur at it, and take me back to the highlands of Scotland, and drive out the 'occupying' English etc etc.. ad nauseum.

Give us a break.. Israel is there.. there will never be a return.... it would be political and physical suicide for Israel..it just ain't gonna happen.

Palestinians can do what EVERY other displaced people has had to do.. build a new life. They will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER EVER get the old one back.. unless the Arabs succeed in anihilating all Jews.... is that clear enough?

Ur just wasting energy referring to the UN.. meaningless I'm afraid.

tRAKKA,

You resort to an ad hominem argument,perhaps you have nothing logical to contribute? I could say that those who justify Israel's outrages have some guilt to deal with themselves.Eh?

Maracas,

>>” The fact that they believed they owned it by virtue of their presence is recognized today by legal opinions such as the Mabo decision and the Land Rights process … And so it was with the people who now call themselves 'Palestinians'

Firstly, there is very little to validate the comparison of Aborigines to Palestinians. Secondly, under Mabo style legislation, non-Israeli Palestinians would have their claim to land extinguished.

You say >>”I understand Land Rights. It was never about claiming anyones freehold land residential or otherwise. It was about VACANT CROWN LAND

You are acknowledging that freehold land extinguishes Aboriginal entitlement to land. If this legislation was applied to the Palestinian situation, there would be no right of return for Palestinians who left or were expelled in 1948.

Where, then, do you get the justification for forcing the two countries to become one? This is something that the PLO and Hamas have been fighting for, for 60 years.

There are no Middle Eastern countries besides Israel where Jews are not persecuted, or non-existent. Hamas is committed to pushing all Jews out of Israel and the Middle East. Read the charter. http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

How do you think you could impose a civilian gov’t on the Palestinians once they had been given control over the region?

There is no good reason to make one country out of Palestine/Israel. The people don’t speak the same language, they don’t share a religion, they don’t share a culture and they have an historical enmity for one another, having fought for 60 years.

Israel is already a democracy where Arab citizens are represented in Parliament by their own leaders. Where else in the Middle East does this happen?

>>” If it wasn't for the strategic aspirations of the USA and their support for the Israeli presence including arming them with modern nuclear weapons, the matter would have been resolved by now.”

How? If you only answer one question answer this one. How would the matter have been resolved if Israel was weaker militarily?

BOAZ_David, yes, I am aware that numerous massacres occured both by and of Jews and Arabs in Palestine. My point was that it was the Zionist terror groups that caused the Palestinian Arab refugee exodus, not the actions of the Arab governments.

logic, Palestinian Arab Israelis are not treated equally under Israeli law. They are systematically discriminated against. Check out the websites www.arabhra.org, www.mossawa.org and www.adalah.org for information about this. You can also go to Minority Rights Group's page about the discrmination that Palestinian Arab Israelis face in Israel at www.minorityrights.org/?lid=5002

To the person who said that UN General Assembly Resolution 194 does not call for the right or return for Palestinian Arab refugees, well, I went onto the United Nations Information System On The Question Of Palestine's website and looked at Resolution 194. It clearly states that Palestinian Arab refugees have the right to return and to compensatin for property. You can find the resolution here:

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/a06f2943c226015c85256c40005d359c/c758572b78d1cdoo85256bcf0077e51a!OpenDocument