Hi all.

"The real paradox is why the west is tolerating so much intolerance from the Islamists." asks Banjo ...

It's simple mate.. we have people who, like J.Edgar Hoover simply 'deny' that the Mafia exists:).. and sadly, at the moment they seem to hold sway in world politics.

You see..there is nothing to fear or be concerned about if you just 'deny' that it exists.

After all.. why would you wish to place a slur on the whole Italian community just because a few hundred of them are involved in unsavory activities. AAh yes.. J Edgar had the right idea didn't he.

By the time you are having to do post mortems on the people killed on the level crossing, its a bit late to do the ground work for boom gates.

Don't worry. nothing will happen.. there is nothing to worry about, all the things we experience like Bali are all 'our fault.. and in any case, that was sensationalized and amplified and I guess Newscorp made a killing out of it all.

So.. take our eaze.. relax... enjoy.. eat drink and be merry...for..

You see, 10 nice people of a particular faith, means that none of the nasty kind can exist.. its a kind of soft left version of David Copperfield magic.. "10 good eliminates 2 bad"

But in the long run it should not be about the magic of 'how many good and how many bad'..it should be about the 'spell'.

Boaz,
Not my question old son, but still a pretty good one by Bigmal

Did you get the link to the speech by Geert Wilders? (must see what google has to say about him) I think I should print it and send to all our pollies in Canberra. I will Email to quite a few people I know. Too many are acting like the proverbial ostrich.

I asked Curaezipirid if he would elaborate on his last sentence. He said Christians should stop blaming Muslims. What DO Christians blame muslims for? Anything religious that you know of? I found his post interesting but could not understand the last sentence.

Hi Banjo.. aah..sorry for the mixup.

Yours.. "what DO Christians blame muslims for?"... good point.
If Newscorp is asked 'probably everything'!

I think Curae is just alluding to the general jingoist mentality of "We good/they bad"...but it might also be that he/she is hinting at the level of press reporting of various disturbances in the world in which Islamists have featured.

Perhaps he/she feels we should be examining our own foreign policy more closely? I don't know. I also don't know that 'Christians' are the ones blaming Muslims for all the world ills.... unless Curae feels that to be 'Western' is to be Christian at the same time?

I would rather see Westerners exploring the 'faith of our fathers' but not because of it being at the root of our culture, no, rather, because life takes on its true meaning and greatest fulfillment when our lives are taken up with the love of, and obedience, to the Almighty in Christ.

So.. maybe I can make a 'grabber' like this ? :) "Less blaming and more believing"

When an individual has a good knowledge of the values and teaching of the New Testament especially, the nature of Islam will become much clearer.

The paradox of the topic is not something which will stay static.
They have 'intense enthusiasm' but no military strength...now, but if I were them, with all that cash, I'd probably be saying "there are more ways to skin a cat than blasting off his fur with an M1A1 Abrhams tank shell :)

Another "grabber"... "Why beat em, when you can BUY em"

socratease,

We, in the West, owe a debt to the Muslims for preserving Greek science & philosophy during and after fall of the Roman Empire and during the West's Dark Ages. Spain was occupied by the Moors for centuries and re-captured by the Europeans, wherein significant knowledge passed from the Spainish Moors to provide a foundation for then contemporary modernisation of the West, perhaps the first step towards The Enligtenment.

Sadly, in the sixteenth century, the Christian West slave-traded white Moors into Brazil to work on suguar planations. Not a very pleasant way, to repay the Moors.

Paul took the words out of my mouth re Islamophobia & CJ Morgan

CJ Morgan please define Islamophobia.

So, is it Islamophobic to state that Muslims seem to have a genetic predisposition for persecution complexes? I feel it is a valid conclusion reached after 13 years of working with the culture in Australia. Admittedly, it is hardly a worthwhile opinion because it was not given to me by a university lecturer.

The article mentions that we only hear of foiled attacks these days. Was it really that long ago that people were killed in London? What is an acceptable time frame to pass before former events are not relevent? Fuzzy wuzzy KevO7 feels Hiroshima is relevant. But conversely Islamophobics defile the PC manifesto if they should have a random thought about a terrorist attack that happened less than a decade ago.

I just read about a terrorist trial in the weekend paper about page 9,112, one short paragraph, in one of the weekend magazine inserts. The enlightened left at the SMH certainly are leading by example by not behaving like stereotypical Islamophobes.

If the author had stated that there has not been another major attack since NY that would be incorrect as well. Remember the train attack in Spain?

It could, however, be said that efforts by the US government and other countries such as Australia have minimised the risk.

Cowboy Joe: << CJ Morgan please define Islamophobia. >>

Sure, how about the Wikipedia definition:

<< Islamophobia is a neologism that refers to prejudice or discrimination against Islam or Muslims. The term itself dates back to the 1980s, but came into common usage after the September 11, 2001 attacks. In 1997, the British Runnymede Trust defined Islamophobia as the "dread or hatred of Islam and therefore, to the fear and dislike of all Muslims," stating that it also refers to the practice of discriminating against Muslims by excluding them from the economic, social, and public life of the nation. It includes the perception that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, is inferior to the West and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion. Professor Anne Sophie Roald writes that steps were taken toward official acceptance of the term in January 2001 at the "Stockholm International Forum on Combating Intolerance", where Islamophobia was recognized as a form of intolerance alongside Xenophobia and Antisemitism. >>

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia ]

Cowboy Joe: << So, is it Islamophobic to state that Muslims seem to have a genetic predisposition for persecution complexes? >>

Yes, such a ridiculous claim would have to qualify. "Genetic predisposition"? So people inherit Islam genetically? Duh.

<< I feel it is a valid conclusion reached after 13 years of working with the culture in Australia. >>

"Working with the culture"? Yeah, right. What are you, a prison guard from Baxter or something, as well as being a rodeo rider? A many of many talents, it seems.