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By Sadanand Dhume, published 6/6/2008Islamists, even when not in power, wield fear and faith to pressure their societies in conservative directions.
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Posted by Ginx, Saturday, 7 June 2008 11:50:53 PM
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Yep, when all else fails, resort to insult.
>>Pericles, CJ, Ginx, and various others very phobic about anyone Christian.<< That's garbage, Boaz, and you know it. You must be extremely short of ideas if you feel the need to identify me as having a fear of Christians. I don't share your beliefs. But then I don't share the beliefs of any religionist, of any persuasion. And I certainly don't fear you. Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 8 June 2008 12:36:14 AM
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But you've all missed that basic point about Islam:
its weakness in the modern world, is its paradox that paradox is that Mohammed himself prophesied that accurate comprehension of Islam as He taught it, would only last for three generations after him Of course the situation is as it is, because it could not be any other way. The system of Islam is internally structured to be nigh on impossible, unless also understood as a way to more deeply embed the human consciousness into both the Judaic and Christian traditions combined. Those Muslims who deny Christianity and Judaism, and not practising their faith, but at the same time, more and more Muslims these days, are attempting to cause Islamic belief to become more like the belief of Christians. There is a website called the Ammam Message where you can discover that for yourself. The point of Islam originally was always about shocking new believers into facing the fullness of necessary accountibility in which it is possible to sustain belief in One God. Realistically, Islam has, over the past 1400 years, caused many more of the world's population to believe in One God than ever before, in which many of those believers have become Christian thereafter. I'm not one to bear a grudge against Islam, and in fact learn much through associations with Muslims, but at heart I am not likely to want to become one because there are just too many disagreements between Muslims about what Islam is, in which the basic messages are too often lost. The Christian message will ring far more powerfully to Muslims after all Christians stop trying to blame Islam. Posted by Curaezipirid, Sunday, 8 June 2008 2:38:20 PM
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Hello Curaezipirid,
Would you mind elaborating on your last sentence. I do not claim to be religious and I don't know if Christians blame Muslims for anything religious. I blame Islam for world wide acts of terrorism, heavy violence between Muslims and the cause of many social problems here in Aus. The acts of terrorism are in the name of Allah and the social problems here is because Muslims don't seem able to compromise to get on with others, even in a minor way. Posted by Banjo, Sunday, 8 June 2008 2:57:37 PM
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http://www.sappho.dk/arrangementer/geert-wilders-tale.html
Here is a very topical speech by Geert Wilders to the Danish Parliament. As a Member of the Dutch Parliament, he was invited to speak to the Danish Parliamment because the citizens of both countries are becoming alarmed at what they are see and are experiencing on a daily basis and Wilders relates it back to the contents of the Koran itself. The real paradox is why the west is tolerating so much intolerance from the Islamists. It is a problem that only they can rectify, and somehow I cant that happening. Posted by bigmal, Monday, 9 June 2008 5:02:57 PM
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While it is true that Islam in places like Iran and Syria concerns itself more with religious rights than with human or civil rights it is an evolving faith. Christians in countries like Iran, Syria and Iraq have long been persectuted, to a leser extent in countries like Lebanon where there is a larger more vocal Christian population. [And a segregated population where Shiite Hezbollah supporters and Sunni government supporters are more regionalised]
From history we know that human rights were not the foremost concern of the Christian Church. Thankfully the Christian faith in the main evolved with the exception of a few remaining bizarre sects (but they have little global impact). The way I see it, Islam is following the same journey as Christianity - noted for it's own Inquisitions (Middle Ages, Spanish and Roman) to suppress heresy in all forms especially from various sects. Papally appointed judges (like Imams) would sit in judgement on claims of religious heresy sometimes known to be as stringent and unbending as Sharia law. Will globalisation soften the edges of Islam or will economic disparities continue to fuel fundamentalism? Fairer and more equitable economic policies and education (modernisation) will go a lot further to lay the ground for a secular Islam and defuse the conditions that breed fundamentalism. As will continued exposure to the West and other religions. "So while talk of Islam’s inroads in Washington, London and Paris may indeed be overblown, the special conditions in the Muslim world ensure that the threat to liberal democracy in Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur and Islamabad is not about to disappear any time soon." This has always been so, there has never been much in the way of liberal democracy in these nations so there is no threat as such only a sense of hoplessness that liberal democracies might one day emerge. Posted by pelican, Monday, 9 June 2008 8:28:48 PM
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Silly bugger!
I'm 'phobic' about YOU!