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A celebration that ignores the plight of Palestine : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein and Michael Shaik, published 14/5/2008

Sixty years later the Palestinians are still paying for the Nazis' crimes.

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While Western leaders champion the cause of a Palestinian state, they prove themselves time and time again to be unwilling to condemn Zionism, even though it is the root cause of the sufferings and grievances of Palestinians. In failing to condemn it, they allow the popular appeal of Iran's president to grow in the hearts and minds of disenfranchised Palestinians and others who abhor the injustice of Israel's settlement program.

In a speech last Tuesday, according to Iran's Press TV, Ahmadinejad said, "The era of the Zionist literature and the Zionist political mechanism and the Zionist bullying policies has come to an end," earning him threats from our own Prime Minister Kevin Rudd to be charged in the International Criminal Court for being anti-Semitic!

Until Western leaders recognise their failure to condemn Israel for its Zionist policies, not only will they be allowing the Iranian regime, Hezbollah and Hamas to gain popular appeal, but they will also be presenting their own nations as Zionist collaborators.
Posted by free2speak, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 4:28:00 PM
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One would be wasting one's valuable time to argue with Loewenstein and Shaik on this issue. One can only laconically say that they are IGNORING the incontestable historical fact that the CONTINUED "plight of Palestine" is Palestinian MADE.

http://daringoutlook.blogspot.com
Posted by Themistocles, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 7:08:33 PM
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Dear Maracas

You said:

"I agree, the Palestinians are still paying for the Nazis crimes"

I'm wondering, are you aware of the VERY close connection on the military level, between the Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler PRE 1948?

Are you aware of the raising of a Bosnian Muslim SS division which was to deal with Jews? PRE 1948?

Please.. try to gain a balanced view of history.

This might help.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0VtMimHF_1Y&feature=related

Arafat apparently had a blood line connection to that Mufti.

<<Husseini instigated bloody riots against the Jews in 1920-1921 and again in 1929. In 1929, Husseini concocted a story that the Jews praying at the Western Wall were taking over the Al-Aqsua Mosque. Sound familiar? He massacred the Jews at the Wall. This triggered a riot by Arabs in Hebron. On the Sabbath of August 24, Arabs murdered sixty-seven Jewish men, women and children in Hebron and destroyed the synagogues. This violent action brought an end to a Jewish presence in Hebron that had been there for thousands of years.>>
http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Husseini.html

all this..BEFORE 1948.

Who's 'plight' should the world be considering
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 15 May 2008 6:55:45 AM
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boaz [david] they were interesting links
here are some other links
i would appriciiate your telling if part or all or none is true?
[note i have tried to get opinions on them before [but people [cant think who just get them removed [but never rebut them]

i put them up in good faith , to reveal how great your ONE god is ; and to show that our god is one ,the same for ''them'' as well as 'us' [whoever us and them may be ]we are all given to live from the one god ,we can serve life or serve death , man cant serve two masters

please note [and feel free to explain
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/05/11/video-photos-israeli-loot-girls-orphanage/
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m43878&hd=&size=1&l=e
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/08/8810/
even if you don’t believe in god ,DO you really think endless war to be the answer?

god don’t judge so forget about past guilt , and blame and shame
you chose to become incarnate now for just this reason to see the peace maker finally come home.

bush/cheeney and the mossad unleash
[plan to unleash Armageddon before we get much longer to think about how to chose our own path to peace]

any way i long for the day i can just say it is done
[one way or the other]
i have no preference which
gods will be done
ahh men

or what about the wikipedia ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1934857/Israeli-battles-rage-on-Wikipedia.html
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/is-google-ethnic-cleansing-the-internet/

so what you think god isn’t watching?
but the atrocities are so extensive
We all know about the 6 million jews genocided in the gas chambers of the natzies , but the genocide by the bolchovics [russian jews ] of 10 million christians doesn’t rate a mention
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-folder.htm

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-folder.html

serving to give nack to god that the life giver who weeps for any who get murdered for what ever reason gave ALL OF US
shalome
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 15 May 2008 3:34:21 PM
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No matter how it is spun the Sheik of Jerusalem did not represent anyone, he was no more a collaborator with the nazis than England, the US, Europeans of all stripes and nations and he didn't commit the holocaust.

Why is it that so many zionists think it is OK to imprison and slaughter Palestinians who were not born in 1939 just because of the behaviour of one "leader"?

It was the nazis who committed the holocaust and last I looked they were Germans.

And for all the self righteous Australian's on this issue. IN 1938 at Evian, France we decided not to accept Jews from Germany on the basis that "as we don't have a racial problem, we are not desirous of importing one" - we are actually complicit in the holocaust not the Palestinians.

We locked up Jewish refugees in Hay, even in 2004 we were trying hard to deny refugee status to Jews from Russia on the spurious grounds that they could go to Israel.

After the war we imported at least 700 nazis because they were nice white Europeans just like us.

Now enough. The children of Palestine born today into the most dire poverty and prison had nothing to do with anything and yet they are being punished by jewish children born today.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 16 May 2008 5:02:59 PM
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It is quite amazing that Loewenstein still gets media space given how shoddy and deliberately misleading his quaint 1970s atheist international socialist “My Israel Question” shtick is.

1. Lies about Herzl, early Zionism and alleged ignoring of locals.

AL thunders “Herzl’s seminal essay on the Jewish state shamefully ignored the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.”

Well actually Ant, in 1895 Therzl assumed “that we shall go to Argentina,” and that “when we occupy the land, we shall bring immediate benefits to the state that receives us.” Herzl envisioned the future Jewish homeland would have to be built through treaties and voluntary land-purchases. He assumed that the influx of Jewish capital and technical knowledge would bring economic benefits to the indigenous populations. Which is absolutely did. Compare the situation of the Muslims in Israel today compared to others.

To accuse Herzl of ignoring the indigenous population when even the sources AL rely on say the exact opposite is not only sloppy; it is unethical. AL contradicts himself in the very same sentence insisting “even though it is clear that Herzl realised that the Palestinians would not simply disappear and make way for massive Jewish immigration. It was perhaps the first but certainly not the last time that the Palestinians were treated simply as if they didn‘t exist.”

AL qualifies this in a footnote. “Palestinian Israeli writer Nur Masalha has proven that Herzl did not entirely ignore the indigenous population and even hoped some would stay and be grateful for Zionism’s generosity.” Putting aside the fact that historians do not seek to “prove” anything, is Herzl now redeemed from shame? Well, no. AL continues as though Masalha’s intra-sentence contradiction had never happened.

And how could Herzl “realise that the Palestinians would not simply disappear if Herzl “shamefully ignored” them? Besides I challenge AL to produce Muslim and Arab writers who acknowledged the existence of “Palestinians” during these early days.

Even as late as 1977 a PLO executive committee member said

The Palestinian people does not exist. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese..

http://culturewarriorwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/israel-at-60-part-2-zionism-and-early.html
Posted by Anzac Harmony, Saturday, 17 May 2008 11:41:50 AM
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