Petere,

Sadly anti semitism was rife in the US and in Europe in that era. It doesn't make it right. The Jews lost 6 million people in WW2, although I am willing to bet you don't believe that either.

Why don't you take your racist views and join storm front or national action. Then you can rant all you like about Jews and n|ggers and nips and all the rest.

Brainless moron

petere

I am ignoring Paul.Ls post and assuming, which I think I can, that you are a rational decent person.

Israel has allowed within its borders members of the Druze, the Samaritans and the Baha'i faiths who were being badly treated in their own Middle Eastern countries, and allowed them legal equality with the Jews, Christians and Muslims in Israel. That is they are all entitled to a vote and to stand for Parliament, and subject to the same laws. It also gives equal rights to women, and homosexuals, which I think you would be hard pushed to find amongst its neighbours. It has no laws preventing the building of Mosques and Churches which are taller or bigger than the Synagogues. c.f. other ME countries. Saudi Arabia is only now considering allowing Churches at all.

Jewish groups such as B'nai B'rith have done a lot of work combating prejudice against Blacks in the US and Aborigines in Australia.

None of this sounds like selfishness to me. I suggest you forget the stereotypes and study what is actually there, you will be pleasantly surprised. In this country there are a lot of Jews below the poverty line and large numbers in unselfish occupations such as teaching and social work.

You and Harry S. Truman are totally wrong on that point, anyone engaged in secular charities is well aware of the Jewish contribution.

Logic:
There was a time that my sympathy lay with the Israelis. No longer, and I am not uninformed.
The behaviour of the Israeli state is intolerable.
More than that, history teaches --- or ought too ---- that states that oppress others and attempt to subjugate others by brutality, force of arms, and such measures inevitably fail.
Certainly some survive too long. Far to long!
Here in Australia we suffered under the heel of the Howard regime for eleven hundred long years. (There are those say it was only eleven years, but nobody, no regime could do the damage that they did in eleven years!)
History is against the status quo. Either Israel embraces real change, or it will fail, one way or the other.
Note that I see a clear distinct ion between Jews and Israelis!

petere

Who oppresses who? Israel was attacked from day one. In fact Jews (and Christians and others) were subject to pressures to leave Middle Eastern Islamic states all through the last century.

Israel was attacked and threatened with annihilation - remember the statement about throwing them into the sea. Children were brain washed into becoming suicide bombers and kill Israelis, which they were told would give them a place in heaven. The published Hamas charter is to destroy the Israeli state.

As you must well know Israel does give everyone including Muslims and women a right to vote. Has Hamas given a timetable for its next election? After they threw Fatah supporters off the tops of buildings do you have any confidence that they will? The Palestinians are not the only people in the world to have been colonized or to have been defeated in a war after they attacked another state. Who else has behaved that way?

What go you expect Israel to do? Just be nice, or to share a single state with religious fanatics who have shown no interest in democracy or peoples rule? Would you choose Sharia law or place women in hijabs?

What would the land have been had the Jews not settled there and brought with them Western technology? For starters the land would still have been a partial desert with low agricultural productivity and there would not have been the influx of Arabs from Egypt and Jordan now regarding themselves as Palestinians. And the Islamists would be destroying the lives of Arabs somewhere else.

Israel does not know what to do with these fanatics any more than the UK or Spain or India whose citizens were brutally murdered by bombs produced by thoroughly evil men and women. Like the allies during the war they hope to contain the slaughter of their Arab and Jewish number by force. What else can they do? It is the Islamists who are the murderers. Will there have to be a bomb in the MCG or in Australia Square before you get the message?

Logic,

Nice logic. Petere sounds rational to me, NOT! Your a better man than I to talk reason to the unreasonable. Petere hasn't offered any evidence to back up his view. Its just a rant. All it deserves in reply is a rant.