I do not believe that Israel's treatment of its Gentile citizens is comparable to affirmative action. Affirmative action was created to make things more equal between people in society. Israel's discriminatory laws makes things less equal in its society.

Israel's Palestinian Arab citizens have, and continue to be, subjected to discriminatory laws, land expropriation, home demolition, funding unequal to that of Jewish Israelis, denial of government services and denial of government benefits.

My original post for this was way more detailed and thus ended up being way too long.

In a nutshell, Israel's treatment of its Palestinian Arab citizens is abhorrent and unacceptable.

Marilyn,

What percentage of Muslims actually live in Saudi Arabia, for example. I think you are clearly illustrating that there is only 1 Israel, 1 homeland for Jewish people, whereas there are dozens of countries for Muslims to call home, same for Christians.Also there might be a few more Jews around if Hitler hadn’t killed 6,000,000 of them. The other reason that Jews might feel uncomfortable living in Israel is that they are entirely surrounded by people trying to kill them.

We already know you hate Jews. Tell me why it is you feel the need to contribute to the thread if it is all so tiring for you. You go dedicate your time to whatever mindless pap that interests you and let the adults do their thing, there’s a dear.

Keith,

You say >>” Israel's days are numbered. An overwhelming weight of numbers, Palestinian numbers, will see an over-running of the Jewish state.”

It’s funny that the left, whom seem so often to proclaim peace at all costs, would be quite happy to see the Israelis militarily defeated. Not that it will happen of course. Those fantasist, actually bigots, of the left have no idea about the military realities of the situation.

You are right in one respect. The Israelis will demographically be dwarfed by the Palestinians in the not to far off future. What most on the left seem entirely ignorant of is that exactly the same thing is happening in the West. Within 30 years Muslims will be a majority in France and hold the balance of power in a number of other European countries, including Britain. The left had better pray that the Islamic fundis aren’t actually winning their battle against moderate Islam. Because if they are, the civil rights movements will all have been for nothing. Anyone who thinks that an Islam dominated west is going to be as amenable to minorities as we are today, has had a brain bypass.

Israel, at least, knows it is fighting for its existence. The left are rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Paul,

You assertions are in contradiction what has previously been written here.

Nobody has supported the replacement of the somewhat secular, somewhat democratic Jewish state of Israel with a theocratic and dictatorial Islamic state of Palestine.

Your claim that the one state solution suggested here implies what Hamas wants for a single state is just idiotic and contemptible.

It is a simple fact that Israel/Palestine has already been a single state de facto since 1967, albeit with the apartheid system of hafrada, effectively splitting the country in two.

The suggestion is to provide equal rights for Palestinians currently under occupation and control as the preferred resolution of the conflict and improved rights for everyone in the country.

It is a repeated lie on your part to suggest that the one state solution proposed by those here represents the destruction of Israel, Israeli democracy and Israeli secularism. Rather they are a furthering of those institutions. Israel would (legally!) be a larger state, it would be more democratic and it would be more secular.

I am absolutely certain if the Palestinian National Authority and the Israelis approve of such means of resolution, it will also be accepted by the United Nations.

Phillip,

I find it utterly extraordinary that you support the idea of discrimination against others by a group on the basis the experience of said group receiving discrimination in the past. I hope you can see that will just lead to a unending cycle of oppression.

Affirmative action, by the way, are policies used to promote access to employment and education - not the systematic institution of advantage by the State for a ethno-religious group. That sir, is discrimination - exactly what affirmative action seeks to overcome.

It is high time the Palestinians got over it. Different groups command different territories right throughout history. The Muhammadans kept re-rolling the dice 'double or nothing' from the mid 1930s onwards. Each time they lost. Until they learn to suck it up their plight will remain dire. Only themselves to blame.

The Palestinians might 'get over it" if the Israeli's would stop slaughtering them and leave their lands.

Jesue weeping you blokes are so damn harsh.

And Paul, does it occur to you that the reason there are so many arabs is because it is arabia and always has been?

And being Jewish is just another dopey religion, it is not a nationality, or ethnic block or anything of the kind so why on earth should they have a state for their religion.

Christians, hindus, muslims and so on don't have all muslims and if they do it is because the dumb west interefered and made artificial borders for them so they could grab all that lovely oil.

Marilyn

War's a bitch. People get killed all the time. There are no "Palestinian" lands for the Israelis to leave. Palestine ceased to exist the day Jordan illegally annexed Samari and Judea and renamed it the West Bank.

And sorry to break it to ya hun but the Jews have a unique language, religion, genetic lineage, and state. That's 3/3 - religion, ethinicity, nationality.

In fact, if we are honest, there really is no such thing as the "Palestinians." It is a convenient political decoy to try and establish legitimacy during the 1970s. Sure, there are now millions who claim to be "Palestinian" but it has nothing like the legitimacy of "Jew" or "Israeli."

Harsh perhaps. But fair. And most importantly, True.

Marilyn, you need to start chasing park cars elsewhere. You have done all you can on this issue.