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Self-defence or brutal occupation? : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein and Peter Slezak, published 4/4/2008

On the world stage Israel has been traditionally cast as David in a battle against Goliath. But this is too simplistic.

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Paul L writes "what you and those like you".

What an all inclusive amazing statement. Which by the way is typical of those on the "right" wherever they are---including the "right" wing jihadists.

Such language makes it all the easier to wage righteous "holy" war and thereby indiscriminately slaughter all and everyone.

It is also the kind of mass scape-goating language which was used to justify the "final solution" and the various pogroms against the Jews which were a feature of European history.

And all exercises in mass slaughter and genocide.

And yes such mass scape-goating language is very much part of the vicious Islamic jihadists.

And what do you really know about me besides?

And what has what I said in my original posting got to do with racism?

It is an indisputable fact that many if not most (even all) of the current and more recent "settlers" believe that their ancient tribal deity promised them an eternal claim on ALL the lands of Israel/Palestine. And they are thus acting on that presumption.

As though someone born in say New York or Melbourne has in Reality and Truth anything to do with the more than 2000 year old mutterings of some tribal (cultic) prophet or holy man.

Such a presumption is delusion---plain and simple.

And a very dangerous one at that.

Dangerous because such delusional actions could very well trigger of world war three---seriously.

Meanwhile Real God, the Divine Conscious Light does not choose or favour, or make promises to anyone or any group, large and small.

There never was or is a "promised land" nor a "chosen" people.
Posted by Ho Hum, Friday, 4 April 2008 4:22:13 PM
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There are two ancient adages that sum up the attitude of many Australians to the middle-east conflict.

The first is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

The second is that the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

As the muslim terrorists that publicly proclaim Australia as their enemy are also enemies of Israel, and are friends of the palestinians, this makes Israel our ally and the palestinians our enemy.

As for the allegation of "occupation", my dictionary defines the word as applying to a country occupying the territory of another recognised country. When the territory does not belong to a recognised country, it is regarded as "disputed territory". Could a poster please advise the country that is internationally recognised as the owner of the the territories Israel is occupying?
Posted by plerdsus, Friday, 4 April 2008 6:13:35 PM
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Thanks to Dr Peter Slezak and Antony Loewenstein for their article on the crimes of Israel.

The authors do leave aside a very important question. How do you resolve the situation? The two state suggestion is not an answer since it legitimises the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians then and now and will result in permanent Palestinian Bantustans.

Apartheid foresaw its eventual demise and, under internal and external pressure, the rainbow nation arose.

I see the way forward in all of Palestine as being a democratic multi-ethnic state where all those who want to can live
Posted by Passy, Friday, 4 April 2008 6:43:31 PM
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Israel was not attacked by all the might of arab armies at any time in history. IN 1947 when Israel started ethnically cleansing the Palestinians Israel did not exist, they had a handful of very well armed terrorist groups though who killed and maimed the British and the Palestinians to steal the land.

In 1967 no arab nation attacked Israel, Israel attacked them all the night before and destroyed all of their planes and equipment in just 4-6 hours. This is so well documented that the US Congress papers were published in Haaretz Newspapers last year showing that not only did Israel launch an unprovoked pre-emptive strike, the US were well aware they were going to.

In 1948 the arabs didn't even come to help the 1.3 million Palestinians who owned 94% of the land, in fact Jordan sold out to Israel.

Fair dinkum will you fantasists get over yourselves and get with the facts instead of the drivel?

The book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe has the maps, the settlements destroyed, photos of Palestinians being driven into the sea while the British and UN watched and took happy snaps and the Israeli's have been tormenting and torturing the Palestinians and Lebanese ever since.

Not one arab has bulldozed the house of any Israeli, settled in their backyard, stolen their land or anything of the kind but Israel has stolen 70% now of Palestine.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 4 April 2008 6:57:03 PM
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html

Exploding the myths.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 4 April 2008 7:31:04 PM
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Marilyn, your post is so unbalanced and full of holes it's almost laughable.

Fact: after Israel's declaration of independence on 14 May 1948 troops from Lebanon, Egypt, Syria and Iraq invaded the newly-declared territory.

Fact: in 1973 Egyptian and Syrian troops moved into the Sinai and Golan Heights (areas under Israeli control since 1967) in a surprise attack.

Fact: in 1967 Israel's pre-emptive strike was prompted by Egypt massing 100,000 troops on the Israeli border and calling for a joint Arab action against Israel. How the Israeli response can possibly be considered an "unprovoked" pre-emptive attack, as you put it, I'm not sure.

Marilyn, I appreciate that you feel strongly about the Palestinian cause but igoring the actions of the Palestinians and other Arab states throughout this conflict only serves to discredit your point of view. Both sides have been in the wrong. Things are not black and white as you would have us believe.
Posted by spy, Saturday, 5 April 2008 5:49:57 AM
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