Vanilla,

I've outlined exactly what I think the research proves. That people who CALL themselves feminists, SAY they have better sex. There's no evidence`that someone who calls themselves a feminist believes in the same things that another person who calls themselves a feminist does. That's been proven time and again on this forum. There's no evidence someone who says they have a great sex life has a great sex life. What they're trying to prove is that feminism improves peoples sex lives, and I see no proof of this at all. I don't think it can be proven really.

Of course feminists have better sex lives. Women on top, I say!

‘Depressed women have more sex than those who are happier, regardless of whether they are in a relationship or not, a study of Australians has found.’

http://news.smh.com.au/study-shows-more-sex-for-depressed-women/20080320-20ns.html

‘Asked whether intercourse could be an effective balm for depression, the psychologist said "we really don't know but we presume it helps as it gives these women opportunities to be close to their partner and loved."’

This research makes no comment on quality of sex, but presumably frequency would decrease if satisfaction levels were to fall to neutral or below. Don’t know how many were feminists, but feel concern for Vanilla’s recent pessimism.

Ginx: "Like it or not, Vanilla, I have the right to disagree with your view! I don't feel the need to explain to you WHY I feel that way; whether my distaste is valid, or whatever else you need to know."

Of course you have the right, and I positively love it. I'm not sure why you think I'm not supporting your right to disagree with me, unless you want me to capitulate in the face your disagreement? In fact, in this whole thread hardly anyone actually agreed with me. I enjoy that, and I think this issue is one where it's strengthening to battle it out.

Ginx: "You do NOT speak for me, or many other feminists I suspect."

No. I'm very aware of that, and I would never try to claim otherwise — indeed, that's what I've tried to make this argument about. I believe feminism is a broad church and is strong enough to hold many viewpoints. Including Melinda's, and including mine.

Antiseptic & Whitty,
I wrote all this stuff then deleted it. Tempting though it is, as I said I don't want to get in to another long argument about feminism. I've been involved in a few and I don't see any evidence that anyone shifts their view particularly, I just see a lot of people blaming the other gender for their problems.

And right now I think I might go make *my* other gender some cheese on toast, just how he likes it.

"Not my work, but a nice rebuttal of that article (by a "feminist"). To say the "research" is weak is to understate the matter. Hardly surprising, as
http://viv.id.au/blog/?p=1051"

No need to scare-quote or pseud-quote the word feminist, when referring to me, Antiseptic.

laurelhed: "No need to scare-quote or pseud-quote the word feminist, when referring to me, Antiseptic"

I wasn't doing either, I was trying to indicate that you self-identify as "feminist", whatever you mean by that. As I said, it's a good rebuttal.