Robert we have been told that feminists have progressed since the early days and that feminism has changed.

So how come this same principle is not applied to Warren Farrell? I agree that he has presented valid points of view on other topics.

Maybe this is why there is a focus on him for trying to bring an unacceptable topic more out into the open. If you can discount what he said/wrote on one topic, then it is much easier to discount him globally. Sadly one badly expressed idea or one word out of place and it's history.

Certainly in the past certain Psychiatrists and Psychologists have conducted research into controversial and sometimes taboo areas.

I think it was Daphne Patai who wrote that feminist have certain exercises where they stoke their anger, this exercise involves focusing on the horrific things that a few men have perpetrated against a few women. Any of the positive things that the majority of men have done and will do for women is ignored, which sounds similar to the tactics that are employed by the coaches prior to a football game or revving up soldiers prior to a battle. The more positive side to this tactic would be to get someone to walk on hot coals.

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1805

SJF, do you have a copy of the offending magazine, I just want to look at, I mean read the articles? ;0

SJF, I did read 'Stiffed' lent it someone and never got it back. It opened my eyes to the fact that women are not as intuitive as claimed because Faludi seemed to ignore some things which I noticed that stuck out like the proverbial dogs ....

Cathy Young I recently discovered wrote an interesting review of Faludi and Farrell and I tend to agree with her views.

I have just become aware of this book;

<In Lip Service: The Truth About Women's Darker Side in Love, Sex and Friendship, Canadian journalist Kate Fillion takes on one of the great myths of gender relationships: that women are always the sweet, innocent victims of male duplicity. It's a myth which, she argues, prevents women from taking responsibility for their own lives, and in many cases from breaking out of patterns of self-destructive behavior for which men wrongly take the blame.>

Sounds good.

I did however make a promise to myself not to buy any more books dealing with all this stuff. Maybe I'll break it, maybe I'll be able to resist and take up something safer like hang gliding.

JamesH

‘I think it was Daphne Patai who wrote that feminist have certain exercises where they stoke their anger, this exercise involves focusing on the horrific things that a few men have perpetrated against a few women.’

In what universe did this happen?! I’ve been an active feminist on and off for about 25 years, in three different countries, and this is a load of utter fish swill. You’ve been conned, silly man.

Regarding the Kate Fillion book, I’ll give it a miss if you don’t mind. I’ve heard it all before and all this womenarenotthesweetlittlethingswe’vebeenledtobelieve.com stuff is really getting tired. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if there’s a grant or two from the Canadian version of the Heritage Foundation in Fillion’s history, and she’s probably danced with a man who danced with a girl who’s had lunch with Christina Hoff Sommers.

‘['Stiffed'] opened my eyes to the fact that women are not as intuitive as claimed because Faludi seemed to ignore some things which I noticed that stuck out like the proverbial dogs ....’

Those ‘things’ she ignored are the now widely standardised conventions on gender writing begun by the New Right during the Reagan era, that assume (a) that feminism is the root of all the problems men now face (b) to portray feminism as the source of any discord that now exists between the sexes and (c) to exercise a solemn duty to expose the ‘myth’ supposedly perpetrated by feminists that women are the totally innocent victims of mad, bad, dangerous men.

From the overwhelming – often scary – antipathy towards feminism in your posting history, I knew that you would contemptuously dismiss ‘Stiffed’. I made the recommendation for the sake of others who may still be on this thread, who would like to read about men’s issues without a lot of anti-feminism mythology poisoning the well.

I won’t be posting on this thread again. I’m taking a break from OLO. You sturdy defenders of embattled male integrity are safe for a while.

Scary? Yeah alot of people think that and it is the reason I didn't get the part in a horror movie once. I was too scary.

You see SJF the difference between you and me other than gender is that I will and have read books that will challange and confront me. Faludi even though it was a long time ago when I read her work, struck me as a feminist who was writting about men from her perspective. Faludis book is to me like one piece in a jigsaw puzzle, as is all the other books feminist or not that I have read. She did raise questions that I thought needed more exploration, which is one of the things that I was going to do, but never did.

As soon as someone reacts in a bad manner to a book, it makes me question why they are reacting that way, what is it in this book that has got their nose, and I go and get the book to read. And then consider if the arguements are valid or not.

I do reserve the right in the future to change my ideas and opinions and will do so when either I discover new information that sends me of on new tangent.