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Preachers and presidents : Comments

By Alan Matheson, published 10/3/2008

The way Americans do religion, particularly during presidential campaigns, bemuses and frequently scares the hell out of the rest of the world.

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Runner, simple question. Is Billy Graham a Christain?
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 9:28:56 AM
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goodthief, good luck. i'll hold my fire, but from boaz's post, i can discern no common ground.
Posted by bushbasher, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 10:25:09 AM
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csteele,

'Runner, simple question. Is Billy Graham a Christain?'

He proclaims to be a believer and I have seen no evidence to the contrary. So as far as I know yes but then again there is only One Person who could answer that definitely and it ain't me.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 10:28:34 AM
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runner, you say we'll proclaim christ once we die.

Problem is, you can't back that up, so I consider this claim worthless.

I can just as easily say that once you die, you'll get on your hands and knees and worship Ikea furniture.

It's a bit insulting. I won't pray to your god. Not now, not after I die, and you've no right to be so patronising.

Goodthief - I'm open to people proselytising so long as they're polite enough to back off when I politely ignore them.

And don't use patronising language such as runners, which simply put, is just: "No matter what I say, I'm right. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it, so I'm going to keep on saying it."

It's insulting to other people's beliefs. I'm fine with you believing that after we die we'll all live in some sugary shang-ri-la, but don't try to tell me I'm going to get on my knees for your brand of god which I don't believe in.

Or at least, when you do, you better expect people to be affronted. A genuinely blessed 'meek' christian person wouldn't say such things when they know they're just insulting people and are going to provoke ill will.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 2:41:20 PM
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Well runner I am pleased.

Despite your description of evolution in past posts as a pseudo science, hopelessly flawed, the biggest scientific fraud of our age, dumb, unscientific, only for the gullible, and the curious statement “If evolution was true then nearly all of us are cannibals!”, you have found it in your heart to permit a man to wear the label of Christian even though he does not dismiss the evolutionary theory.

If I were cheeky I might call this an evolutionary moment.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 3:10:28 PM
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TRTL

It is actually the bible that says that every knee shall bow before the Lord Jesus Christ not me.

No one is forcing you to do that now. My only backing up of this statement is the bible and my conscience.

I take it that you along with millions of others are insulted by Jesus words. He claimed to be the only way to God I am sorry about that and hope that one day you will find the truth. Forgiveness is available to all those who call on His name. There is no other name by which man can be saved from their sins.

csteele,

I am unsure of your point. I have no doubt evolution is all the things I have described it as. The fact that some Christians see no incompatibility to true science and the bible I don't understand. To some degree I think they are trying to be man pleasers rather than God pleasers. How God judges that is up to Him. Any person with the Spirit of God in them knows Jesus not only as Saviour but also Creator.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 12 March 2008 8:14:22 PM
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