Knowing the natural curiousity of healthy young men, it surprises me that the % isn’t higher.

Unless you see the questions of the survey, statistics do not prove anything. How many returned again to the porn site? Did these youths become addicted to the porn sites? What sort of porn were they seeking? Did this survey base its findings on the numbers of times porn sites were accessed, or the numbers of males accessing them? Also, did a single group of 3 or 4 lads, as a lark, access one porn site. There are so many variables in any survey taken. How large was the survey; how many actually responded, how many responded frankly, did it use a system of cohorts?

The “correct” questions on a survey could provide evidence that 90% of elderly men in aged care, and indeed not computer literate, were indulging in internet porn.

I have never sought a porn site. However, an ordinary site, for example on embroidery, has thrown up a porn site ... I presume a title “Hot Hooters” does not refer to car horns. I have certainly never gone into such sites. But undoubtedly, a history of sites that I have “accessed” would indicate that I am a “porn-a-holic”

“The estimated 1,000 cases of drink spiking involving sexual assault in Australia in 2003 is a symptom of this training men are currently receiving through pornography.”

Does this mean that there are 1,000 men spiking women’s drinks, or 20 pathetic creatures seeking to “get lucky”.

Spanish Fly (cantharides) since time immemorial has been used as a means of seduction; also as an abortificient. It can also be fatal. Its use is well-known in animal husbandry. My great-grandmother’s generation were warned against accepting drinks from men in case Spanish Fly had been added ... apparently, Madeira also had sexual connotations, but I suspect this was more in the intentions of the male, than in the drink itself.

Wikipedia could provide a potted history of Spanish Fly, a notorious aphrodisiac

Danielle. What wisdom. What perspective. I think I love you.

gecko, it's the anonymous bushbasher (not bushwacker) here.

i agree that the anonymity on fora such as OLO has an interesting effect. i also agree that much of such debate is reduced to shouting. i ponder my own behavior and my use of the anonymity.

what i don't agree with is that caroline should be congratulated, or that there was something out of line with the majority of criticism of her article.

i haven't followed this thread closely, but what was clear was that many of the posters, even those very critical of the article, are uncomfortable or at least wary about the social effects of pornography. i found many of the posts, both pro- and anti-pornography informative and enlightening.

BUT, caroline's article was strident and thoroughly devoid of evidence. in this regard, the reference to anonymity and a perhaps less than well-mannered debate are simply red herring.

Dear Vanilla, thank you for those lovely comments - they truly made my day.

Perhaps a survey should be done on women. Women talk among themselves freely ... admittedly, often with “too much information” ... however, many believe that their husbands are not inventive enough.

One woman’s description of her love life, sounded like she was directing traffic - another’ s husband would be in traction if she had her “evil” way - another mentally makes out her shopping list (women multi-task very well). Women regard sex as natural and normal ... they don’t regard a nudge in the ribs and “Ow about it, luv?”, as adequate foreplay. My own mother, the most proper of people, always maintained that there was no such thing as a frigid woman - only incompetent males.

As the article situated the consequences of the penis and porn together, I recalled where this doesn’t occur - and quote verbatim from a series of papers directly from google:

“Frogs don't have penises ... are not particularly bright when it comes to sex ... will attempt to mate with anything that moves, including other males and floating leaves ... have specially adapted thumbs so that they can hang on to the female's back even if she gets bored and tries to hop away... also needs to hang on tightly because sometimes more males try to join in the fun in a kind of frog orgy ... Male frogs exposed to estrogen-like pollutants morph from male to female ...exposed to very low doses of a common weed killer can develop multiple sex organs, sometimes both male and female.”

'however, many believe that their husbands are not inventive enough. '

Is it the responsibility of their husbands alone to be inventive?

' no such thing as a frigid woman - only incompetent males. ' That's pretty sexist. Imagine an impotent man blaming incompetent women...

it's not sexist. it's a joke with truth behind it. it's very feisty and very funny.