Vanilla "I simply disagree that all women who work in porn enjoy their jobs, as you claimed."

And I never claimed they all enjoyed it. there are exceptions to every job. Your comment that some don't enjoy it, is simply superfluous and mundane. People don't enjoy there jobs in any profession, but they *always have a choice to leave if they don't like it*

Ah. I see. When you said "Every pornographic image you see has a willing woman participant who, gasp IS ENJOYING THEIR JOB," I thought you meant that every pornographic image you see has a willing woman participant who is enjoying their job. My bad.

Vanilla,

Thank you for your comment.

CJ,

Regarding the "icecream, a penis, and a dog" I trust I haven't inadvertently contributed to a new trend ... - the girl asked for my opinion. I completely "opted out" with: "discuss this with your boyfriend" - obviously the dog also had a stake in the situation. Managing a ménage à trois can be so difficult :-{ Wouldn't icecream cause shrinkage, but then doggy ... Perhaps a curtain needs to be drawn discreetly over this ... I still don't know if this would be classified as pornographic.

Steel,

You have made some sound comments. However, many young women in the sex industry have been sexually abused at home. Because they are so damaged, so young, and without an education, they fall into this type of situation; and without help they cannot climb out. I’m sure many would prefer some other “profession”. The risks are great. I agree, some women willingly enter prostitution. I recall a man, consoling himself about his daughter's school fees, observed: "at least a private education produces 'high class hookers.’”

As to Caroline Norma’s examples: how many women would consent to this? I suggest that a male who tried it, wouldn’t have any partners - it would get around the grape-vine very quickly. If a woman did enjoy it, this then is, sadly, a pathology between both of them; and a private issue between consenting adults. Nothing more needs to be said.

Some of the writers here makes sex sound so grim. Admittedly, sexual activity comes with responsibilities. However, what happened to the joy and fun of sex - lust is great, especially if spontaneous, indulged in appropriate places - not in a lift between floors, nor in the front seat of a car (a man’s foot can get stuck in a glove-box).

I am in my seventh decade, and if I could rouse some slight blood presssure in the opposite sex, I would consider it a plus.

Posted by Vanilla, Sunday, 2 March 2008 8:02:37 PM

I agree with all of that. And it is ridiculous as you say to think that ALL of any occupation enjoy their job.

I am a big fan of Amatuer too. It's much more erotic to see people really enjoying themselves, rather than trying out every hole and position one after the other and fakely going oooh oooh. That's why Amatuer porn is the fastest growing genre. Kinda puts a hole in the author's assertion that the web is full of violent porn and that most men are naturally being drawn to and corrupted by it.

Also, Abby Winters rules man!

'women performed oral sex on men for more than 15 hours of screen time, they received it for less than five hours.'

I think this also has a little to do with the more graphic nature of men's climax and greater ease of graphically showing fellatio. Except for those talented photographers and filmographers at AW of course.

SJF,

'pornography offers men a way of maintaining their sense of polygynous entitlement.' What rot! :-) You seem to me to be strengthening my point about women fearing being made redundant if you can equate watching porn to infidelity. I'm sure you wouldn't equate using a vibe to infidelity. Actually I'm sure if men could satisfactorily replicate female genetalia we would be accused of reducing women to a just a vagina.

'The ability to give or refuse sex is a right, not a power. Don't confuse the two.'

A man gets ready for a night on the town. He wonders to himself if he may get lucky.

A woman gets ready for a night on the town......

She knows.

I think we can all take something from that.

Vanilla, it should be obvious that it was a general statement. Do you know what conversation would be like if you had to qualify every statement by saying "but there are these exceptions...." . It would be stupid and that's why no one does it unless it's relevant.

Now, the reason why I made such an absolute statement is that it's statistically insignificant. Employees are not slaves in any profession. They are free to do what they want. So if they have a problem, it's their own fault for their choices and decisions. So such discussion in the context of the article is absurd.

> 'women performed oral sex on men for more than 15 hours of screen time, they received it for less than five hours.'

> I think this also has a little to do with the more graphic nature of men's climax and greater ease of graphically showing fellatio. Except for those talented photographers and filmographers at AW of course.

No, it's simply because WOMEN DO NOT PAY OR CREATE A DEMAND for pornography.

They blame men for wanting a product that they like, when they should know full well with a little applied intelligence that women do not support the industry nor put their money where their mouths are.

Apart from the digital-age and resulting increase of porn, do any think that the market itself for porn is increasing because of the risks sex brings, such as AIDs, Heps., etc.

The rise in porn, apart from the obvious pleasure it brings to many - as I have stated before, I don't see how - possibly has many factors.

Those (either male or female), who would not, otherwise, have access to a willing partner in some proclivity, now have their own fantasies to access.

I have never met a woman-hating man, but I have known men who have come out of very
bad relationships, who either by inclination or financial reasons, or both, are not willing to
risk another.

Perhaps some men see porn as more acceptable, even more personal, than visiting brothels.

Whilst women also have scars from bad relationships, many more seem either willing or "needy" enough to risk another. Perhaps some believe that their "knight" will be out there. Also, there is the biological clock. I hope this doesn't result in a deluge of comments about women being "needy" - but some are; and even with the more modern attitudes of women approaching men, some women find this daunting.

A reading of the "wanted adds" would "indicate" that often more women, particularly of a "certain" age, than men, are looking for partners. Interestingly, there appears more women of 50+ plus are seeking men. This would seem to suggest that women raised in this generation regard a man in their life as a needs to completion. This "neediness" is not
a reflection upon women in general, but reflects the mores in which they were raised.

I think there are a lot of lonely people - often caused by relationship breakdowns, and the
obvious scars that come with them - some very deep - to whom porn provides an outlet.

Rather than the digital age becoming a dark age for women, perhaps it is meeting certain needs created by the changing society in which we live.