Aggression should be the issue looked at between males and females and not just violence or physical abuse. Violence is only one type of aggression and men will use this type more than women because in general they are bigger and stronger and their 'success' rate will be higher when they use physical abuse. If women were bigger and stronger than men they would be the more violent sex.

Women are just as aggressive as men but in different ways. As Sam points out aggression is the intention to cause harm or pain and you can do this in many ways. There is verbal abuse, passive aggression, lies, destruction of property, bullying, harassment, vindictiveness, revenge, causing embarrassment, making a scene and so on. Women are more likely to use these methods to try and hurt men. These things can do just as much damage as a slap on the face.

If you want to dwell on the negative behaviour which destroys relationships between men and women then do it fairly and measure the level of aggression. Many feminist groups like to control the agenda of these types of debates and keep the focus solely on physical abuse because they do not want to have their aggression exposed for what it is.

John
The survey is no longer available on the web, and it is normal for any type of research that has findings that are contrary to feminist propaganda to not be widely published.

But the majority of abuse or domestic violence surveys (and the ones you referenced are typical) rely on opinion only, and that opinion can be highly biased. Nothing is actually measured or verified, and those surveys would not fit into the scientific method in any way.

However the following comes from US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where they also incorporated some quantifiable data.

http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941

Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. .......Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women

Similar results have been found elsewhere also. Domestic violence is either mutual, or women are the main perpetrators, while men commit more injury.

There is another survey I saw earlier this year where they surveyed 10,000 children, and from memory the children reported that 80% of the time their mother was the perpetrator, and I would think the children are less biased than either the mother or the father.

It is being also found that men are less likely to report the DV.

I can remember seeing recently at a large sports complex a girl continuously kicking a boy and hitting him on the head with her water bottle. The boy tried to fend her off for a while, but she wouldn't stop, so he then stood there with his arms folded and waited for her to finish kicking him and hitting him.

I can imagine the situation if the boy was continuously kicking and hitting the girl.

"All Boys Barred From Sports Complex fot Being Violent and Male"

runner: "In aboriginal communities kids are being sexually abused from 3 years old and up and this is being fuelled by the porn industry that supports the tolerant Greens and Democrats. They are happy to have the support of this perverted industry despite the damage to many kids black and white."

I don't suppose runner would like to support this scurrilous claim with something resembling evidence? I note that he hasn't been able to support his other porkies in this forum regarding the Greens and Democrats, so I expect that this will prove to be yet another case of defamatory lying by a Christian fundy. Isn't there something in the bible about bearing false witness?

I see that HRSkins is babbling away in his usual 'damaged male' persona. Like JohnJ, I'd like to see some reliable reference for the purported study he cited before I revise that assessment.

HRS said "The survey is no longer available on the web, and it is normal for any type of research that has findings that are contrary to feminist propaganda to not be widely published." Oh, how unfortunate HRS. You mean that not a single Men's Rights website had the foresight to preserve a copy? No wonder they're losing the fight with the feminists.

No question HRS, that some men are the victims of domestic violence, but the preponderence is committed against women. This study http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles1/nij/181867.txt , for example, found "nearly 25 percent of surveyed women and 7.5 percent of surveyed men said they were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime".

As for 80% of child abuse being committed by women, perhaps you'd be so kind as to produce some evidence? This fact sheet http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/sheets/rs7/rs7.html suggests that fathers are responsible for 61% of physical abuse, compared to 36% for mothers. Not a good look for men, given that women are the primary carers for children in the vast majority of families. My apologies for using the Australian Institute of Family Studies data again. I wasn't aware (per Sam Said's comment) that it was a "feminist tool". Those feminists have become devilishly clever, haven't they?

This thread is beginning to develop a distinctive smell of martyrdom. I'm not sure I like all these men accepting the mantle of victimhood. It's all very..... unmanly.

CJ

Have you closed your ears to the newspapers last week reporting on the porn industries endorsement of Greens/Democrats policy? Just check out last weeks left wing Melbourne Age that reports 'The sex industry will support the Greens and the Australian Democrats in the Senate because of their policies to extend the federal X-classification code nationally. I am sure you are aware that this industry contributes to the child abuse in aboriginal and white communities or do you deliberately choose to ignore this fact?

johnj wrote ' I wasn't aware (per Sam Said's comment) that it was a "feminist tool". Those feminists have become devilishly clever, haven't they?'

so you seem like you dont agree...

john if i was grading your skills of investigative reasoning from observing our regional world...i would give you an 'f'...not for 'fantastic' but 'fail'...

for example lets say you were given the job of running aifs and its magazine 'family matters'...and you made sure there was no research/report of harm of force separating established meaningful fatherchild relationships(dont believe then go review all their past releases...might take you a few months)...and you also know family courts in about 50% completely force separate fatherchild on request by mother...and in rest of 50% usual in few hours every forthnight...some meaningful relationship that time gives...right...though since the amendment and relationship centres I dont know the current figures...

now which father would support the above...reasoning mind will say most would not...so a force drove 'fair outcome' law demands for 'justice' to take place to fail...and since mother were benefitting...a reasonable conclusion was an organized force has been shifting the balance towards women...right...and i hope you can build on this to see the connection with feminists and women like maree crabbe and unbalanced articles and faulty studies aifs reports...

so would you blame me for calling you a 'tool' or 'rouge-male for females'...as chief of aifs...

hope you get what im saying

Sam