TRTL

'runner made a point about the exclusive brethren being investigated but not the porn industry. To that I'd say, it really depends if the porn industry took out advertisements flaunting Australian law by providing an inaccurate contact detail for who was placing the advertisement. That's illegal.' Can't disagree with you however compared to the sexual abuse of children this is a small matter. In aboriginal communities kids are being sexually abused from 3 years old and up and this is being fuelled by the porn industry that supports the tolerant Greens and Democrats. They are happy to have the support of this perverted industry despite the damage to many kids black and white. They pretend to be in favour of women's rights and happily support the sale of material that is totally demeaning to men and women.

Zahira
Of course no female has ever been known to be abusive.

Unfortunately lecturing boys or girls about respecting their bodies did not really solve any problems in the US, as the girls wanted to have sex to prove to other girls that they were “all grown up”, but they were too young to be having sex, and their bodies and minds were not meant for it.

The boys were simply too young to have sex or even to be interested in girls, so the girls were going to older boys, and were quite determined to be performing some type of sex to prove something to other girls in their peer group.

So talking about their bodies would likely have no affect at all.

Lecturing the media and particularly women's media would likely have more affect.

I have actually talked for some time with the editor of a major girl's magazine in Australia about what they were doing, to find that they had not one person on their staff who had any training in childhood development.

So maybe those magazines might be a place to start, before lecturing boy's on being “ selfish, selfcentered, Neanderthals”

Turnrightthenleft.
I was sure that you would give an apology.

You are non-prejudiced, and capable of considering a problem from many different perspectives. This helps you identify the cause of the problem, and you don't immediately believe that males are always the cause of every social problem. You don't immediately believe every statistic that is thrown at males, and you are willing to consider that females can also be implicated.

You are also considerate of other, and don't classify them as being an “ilk”.

So I was sure that you would give an apology.

HRS, I thank you for your kind words, but I still don't see what I'd need to apologise for - I don't see that saying you're standing up for mens rights is an accusation, and as far as I can tell, your posts can only be construed as either defending men (which in itself is an act of supporting mens rights, even if it is in relation to rebutting popular assumptions) or attacking the article as biased, from what I can tell it's both.

Your assertion is that the article is biased because it doesn't express concern for crimes against men. Is that about right?

The point I'm making is that there's nothing wrong with expressing concern over crimes against women and that is what the article is about.
I just don't think your attacks on it are warranted if the sole criticism is that it doesn't highlight crimes against men as well.

The real heart of the matter, and where we're likely to disagree, is to what extent sexual attitudes are harmful toward men and women. I tend to think they are more harmful toward women, though I concede in certain situations men do certainly cop the worse end.

But overall, I tend to think it's quite safe to say more women are raped by men and seeing as men are physically stronger and tend to be more highly represented in violent crime statistics, it's likely that more women are the recipient of physical (that's a key word here) abuse.
That can only be a product of sexual attitudes.

So yes, men mistreat women and women mistreat men. It's sad but true. But highlighting either side of this coin isn't a problem.

Even though it focuses on women, I don't see where this article says it's okay for women to abuse men.

Turnrightthenleft,
Most surveys on abuse do not adhere to the scientific method, and depend on who wants to exaggerate the most.

In a more scientific study conducted in a US college, they actually counted the number of times they saw a girl hit a boy, or a boy hit a girl. After 1 week they stopped the survey and started counseling the students, because there was too much hitting occurring, and about 95% of the time it was girls hitting boys.

I see the same every week when I take the children to a sports event, and there are hundreds of teenagers there, and I regularly see a girl slap, hit, or kick a boy because she thinks it is fun to do so.

But not once in 3 years have I ever seen a boy hit a girl.

The idea that there are high levels of sexual abuse from boys to girls is highly suspect. It is very common to see 1 – 2 girls with a larger group of boys, but those girls show no anxiety at all when being with all those boys.

I would think most “sexual abuse” is very minor, or is not abuse at all, but the girl becomes dissatisfied with the boy in some way, and then say that he is abusive.

I think cases of severe sexual abuse could be associated with mental illness. To say that it is male power over females is absurd, because there can be sexual abuse between females or between males.

The abduction of so many children from their fathers can lead to many social problem. A girl who has been abducted from her father is 7 times more likely to become pregnant as a teenager.

If a boy has been abducted from his father, he can do anything from taking drugs to joining gangs to underage sex.

The amount of sex and violence shown in the media is far too much, and it appears to be creeping down into children's media, and I would think that is not healthy for boys or girls.

HRS, you refer to "a more scientific study conducted in a US college", but I note that you don't provide a link, refer to a source, date, specific place or indeed anything that might indicate that any such study exists.

In my futile attempt to locate any reference to this study, I found plenty of research on violence and abuse amongst US college students.
Studies like this http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/14/94/13.pdf
or this http://starbulletin.com/2007/09/09/news/story04.html
or this http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/377942/domestic_violence_among_high_school.html

None of these studies remotely backs up your anecdotal claims. Indeed these studies all point to an unpleasantly high rate of abuse and violence against female students by male students.

I'd be pleased if you could point us in the direction of the study you refer to. Otherwise, I can't take it terribly seriously.

hope no one minds but trtl, I think hrs is essentially saying is an opinion/comment can arise from 'non prejudiced mulitple angle approach to problem'...and not necessarily male rights driven...though in this day of over-whelming female right driven propaganda causing societal shifts...i think increasing male rights to counterbalance is a good thing...

more importantly is the word 'aggressive'...its been used many times but never to describe the article or author maree crabbe...she is being aggressive as in 'instrumental agrressive'...a link which not good but has some references to a useful research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression

note 'aggression refers to behavior that is intended to cause harm or pain'...and here by maree intentionally excluding large relevant material components to this issue, and limiting to one perspective, and worse giving a 'victim' coloration to female component...in a major corporation news media is an extremely aggressive act...'harm' is intended to young males in the wider community by intended effect she desires...and some people calling some posts as 'aggressive' is a laugh in this perspective...a reasonable persons response is to increasingly get more aggressive towards activities like maree's to counteract its effects if one wants to achieve and maintain a balanced and sustainable society...ie acting on such 'aggressive' acts by elements wanting to attack/shift that balance in their favour...first step is to recognize it...ie 'aggressive'

eg aifs study 'only 1 in 7 reported' now a 'big lie'...it was used by 'office for women' to push all sorts including seeking laws/money...but abs(bureau statistics) since discredited studies with such findings on grounds its just not possible to statistically valid standard assess what person would 'not do'...no questionaire/study could make a person reliably state a fact when they have decided not to(not report)...and false data risk too high...ie risk of women falsely claiming they did not report...so was actually an very organized aggressive act

Sam
Ps~point in note aifs has acted as a feminist tool...particularly family court...its created by fla1975...and did not once to my knowledge do research/report the societal harm force seperating meaningful fatherchild relationship on request by mother the flc was doing in its common practice