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Young people duped by a culture of degrading sexual attitudes : Comments

By Maree Crabbe, published 15/11/2007

Young people are being ripped off by a culture that promotes a hollow understanding of intimacy and tolerates degrading attitudes towards women.

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It doesn't surprise me that this thread on sexual abuse has been channeled into comments on single mothers, and therefore misused as apparent support for shared parenting.

'I don't know what the Shared Parenting party are like but I strongly believe that with some safeguards in place shared parenting can be far better for all concerned than sole parenting.'

Disagree with that completely.

It can only be successful when you have two parents that respect each other, respect each others parenting role and relationships with the child/ren, have new partners that respect and support BOTH parents and their parenting roles, live close to each other, have similar parenting styles and values, are on the same page so to speak, and are willing to share ALL aspects of parenting (e.g. take time off work to care for sick kids)

I believe that with divorced couples that have achieved this post-separation relationship, then they're already sharing parenting.

It's the parents that don't have that respectful relationship that will not successfully share parenting, and it shouldn't be imposed on the kids, particularly when they're not use to the other parent playing such a large role.

Blanket shared parenting is ideological, misinformed, and unfair to children.
Posted by Liz, Saturday, 1 December 2007 7:56:36 PM
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liz post shows the fear and insecurity of women/mothers...just like fathers and their children.

In family separation i did not want the mother to have any care of my child...had lot of reasons including reckless psychological attack on my child by mother to break established and strongly bonded fatherchild meaningful relationship...and the fearfull, stressed and broken child it caused...

I lost the case which went through full court of appeal to high court...on issue of law and not fact on which i would have won...though i believe if there was a higher court then high court could be shown to have got it wrong...but there isnt and now parliament changed laws to some argued in my case...

and i agree that this is the wrong topic for above...and to why in family separation its of paramount importance that court/government/parliament take all effort and time to ensure a balanced outcome is achieved...so fear all round is settled without giving anyone the dominant power over the child...and continue regulating...bit like driving...use the road but know the rules and regulations and ensure you stay within even at moments its the last thing you want to do for benefit of all and to keep the system workable...and most importantly strictly enforce accountability...otherwise the whole thing comes crashing down in a rapid heap when the unresolved pressure breaks through the seams...

Sam
Posted by Sam said, Sunday, 2 December 2007 10:46:48 AM
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Botheration,
I’ve only asked you once to give some information, but it is interesting that there are now feminists who call themselves “dissident feminists”. Feminism has become extremely confusing, similar to the statistics produced by so many feminists that rarely correlate with other statistics.

Liz,
You have used a term described in several dictionaries as being vulgar, and C.J Morgan also used a term described in several dictionaries as being vulgar (when describing a male politician). Both terms were abusive, and both yourself and C.J Morgan have been, or still are teachers.

Perhaps the modern (or progressive) trend in education is not to use dictionaries anymore, but I personally have known of considerable abuse carried out by teachers on students, and some of the greatest acts of discrimination and prejudice are now being carried out in schools.

The author wants to be able to go into schools to lecture boys on not being abusive, but one would think that the author should first check to see how many of the teachers are abusive, and also check to see how much discrimination and prejudice is being carried out in schools.

Perhaps the author could also read the book “Queen bees and Wannabees” by Rosalind Wiseman (that was later made into the movie “Mean Girls”)

The book highlights that the greatest dangers to girls going to school in the US was actually from other girls, and not from boys.

But as the education system has become so feminist, I think the Rosalind Wiseman overlooked how much danger there is to both girl and boy students from the teachers.
Posted by HRS, Sunday, 2 December 2007 11:48:29 AM
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Gawd. HRS/Timkins bleats on, as ever, with little regard for reality, or indeed the topic.

"Perhaps the modern (or progressive) trend in education is not to use dictionaries anymore"

Perhaps our boringly repetitious bleater could use his own advice and look up the word "ilk" in his dictionary. He and others of his ilk seem to have great difficulty in recognising the sad reality that sexual abuse is overwhelmingly a male crime - yes, only a very small minority of men do it, but it's still a far smaller minority of women who do it.

Perhaps Timkins/HRS could direct us to a female equivalent of the crime that was the subject of the article? I won't hold my breath.

"...both yourself and C.J Morgan have been, or still are teachers."

I used to be a university lecturer, which I suppose is a kind of teacher (of adults). If Timkins/HRS had ever attended a university he would know that 'vulgar' terms are often used among students and their lecturers where apposite, as was the case with the term I used to describe the odious Kevin Andrews.

In fact, I think that the term could quite fittingly be also applied to Timkins/HRS and others of his misogynist ilk. Give me a good straightforward vulgar epithet over endless disingenuous bleating anyday.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 2 December 2007 12:08:48 PM
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C. J Morgan,
So you were a university lecturer. Now I understand, but university education is supposed to be at a higher level than primary or secondary school education, and involve higher standards.

Universities also train teachers.

You now call Kevin Bartlet “odious”, but why aren’t you calling him by the other term you have used in the past, (described as being vulgar in several dictionaries).

You are saying that “a very small minority of men” carry out sexual abuse of females. So what is the actual %, and is the amount of sexual abuse being carried out a small percentage of the overall amount of abuse that is occurring.

This was eventually found by Rosalind Wiseman in her investigations in US schools

Normal feminist research would likely involve asking girls questions such as “When was the last time you were abused by a male”, but instead, the girls were asked questions such as “When was the last time you were abused”.

The results were that girls were far more likely to feel abused or victimised by other girls than by boys.

As a past university lecturer, I’m also wondering when was the last time you were abused by a male, and when was the last time you abused a male

Or, as a past university lecturer in a non-gender prejudiced education system, when was the last time you were abused by a female, and when was the last time you abused a female (such as calling them a vulgar term).
Posted by HRS, Sunday, 2 December 2007 6:12:12 PM
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HRS/Timkins - you need help. Get some.

Seriously.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 2 December 2007 8:37:59 PM
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