timberjack, it's not about your facts, it's about your carefully selected appeal to authority.

TJ, cinders: If this last ditched article and subsequent TCA responses to questions contains your only access to relevant pulp mill info then you employer Gunns has a huge problem and so does Tasmania.

No one there it seems has enough background experience to get this thing running to the external expectations as outlined in the original proposal. Tasmania must not accept this thing as a giant experiment. Gunns must get a fully detailed plant operating manual long before this mill is fully commissioned. No government will bail any of you out of a mess.

Initial specifications may not be appropriate. First step is getting an operating manual for all the proposed sections from the nearest equivalent. Next step is to detail the loops and instruments then find practical chemical engineers experienced plant troubleshooting to assist the plant developers on site. Run every stage manually to prove design criteria. Each circuit needs some level of redundancy available. Catch mistakes early.

Much will be different to the laboratory testing on various stages of pulp batches. Bring experienced operators in with the builders to ensure short cuts in design, fabrication and installation don’t hurt the final team. Some members of contractor groups should cross transitional company barriers. Knowledge must flow freely both ways.

Sorry bushbasher but they are way out of their collective depth

re Timberjack:
"Both ECF bleaching and TCF bleaching of kraft pulps are considered to be Accepted Modern Technology in the European Union and in North America"

Perhaps you would care to check whether nuclear electricity is certified as "Accepted Modern Technology" in the European Union and North America.

Then you can decide whether you want to live nearby and downwind of one of these units. Plainly smells from a pulp mill aren't as concerning as radioactive gaseous effluents from a fission reactor, but it seems that the proponents of both types of development have some convincing of local residents to get on with - - -

Taz
there is absolutely nothing last ditch about these articles, except for the stubborness of the media to not present both sides of the argument. They seem only interested in publishing outrageous and insulting comments like your last post.

for the record check the witness statements on the Supplementary information supplied by the Developer to look at the expertise that has designed and will commission this pulp mill. All operators will be fully trained and all procedures documented.

Why don't you compare your CV with that of Kari Tuominen who has a Master's degree in pulping technology from the Helsinki University and has spent 15 years designing modern pulp mills. What's your relevant experience in modern ECF Kraft mills, Taz or that of some of the more vocal critics?
For the record my employer is Timber Communities Australia and its members.

Taz

As it appears that you find it a bit hard to come to terms with the facts presented by the CSIRO,so just for a change here is a sample of what the World Bank has to say about pulp mills.

Wastewater
Pulp and paper manufacturing activities may generate wastewater discharges at a rate of 10-250 cubic meters per metric ton (m3/t) of air dry pulp (ADP2).

Prior to treatment pulp mill effluents are high in total suspended solids (TSS; mainly from cooking and pulping process screening, washing, and bleaching stages as well as from debarking residue, chemical recovery inorganics and fillers); biochemical oxygen demand
(BOD; mainly from wet debarking; screening, washing, and bleaching); chemical oxygen demand (COD) and dissolved organic compounds (mainly from wet debarking cooking/pulping,screening, washing, bleaching, and chemical recovery plant liquor spills) which may include PCDD (poly chlorinated dibenzodioxins) and PCDF (poly chlorinated dibenzofurans),
2 Air dry pulp refers to pulp that is 90% dry.

commonly referred to as chlorinated dioxins and furans. These are an important issue when elemental chlorine is used for bleaching although the levels of dioxins discharged are below the level of scientific significance when ECF or TCF bleaching technologies are used.

Sorry captain, I was thinking you really were looking at becoming master on the Titanic. Now don’t you worry about my CV, project people generally only hired me for what they could use in my toolbox. It could be as simple as piece of string.

TJ: Your problem is nobody down your way has an operating manual yet. All anybody can refer too is a power point presentation that is updated when the goal posts are shifted. The public and media as cinders says is all over the place looking for something solid.

You don’t help them one bit with stuff from the World Bank “Pulp and paper manufacturing activities may generate wastewater discharges at a rate of 10-250 cubic meters per metric ton (m3/t) of air dry pulp (ADP2)”. Wild comparisons in scale like 10-250 cm / whatever is not a peer review of this project.

But what’s clearly missing as the Titanic sails is the independent umpire on stewardship. Who wants that job? I bet it’s not Malcolm Turnbull, he should wash his hands after adjusting the width of goal posts once again.

Watch out for penalties! Foul play out in the field won’t depend on crowd noise. Balls out of bounds will be confiscated by other courts. It leaves me wondering who cops the kicking inside if normal play stops.

“All its needs now is a decision based on science, not politics, and removal of sovereign risk, that is Government risk, before this year’s Federal Election” - posted again on behalf of the Cinderella State Admiralty.

Folks need to ask themselves, has there ever been another situation quite like this before a Federal Election?