Well bushbasher pretty sure you will be pleased to learn that the CSIRO supports the facts that you find so hard to accept. The following is a direct paste from their web site Q&A regarding the Bell Bay mill.

If it is built, the mill will take woodchips that are currently exported with a value around $150 per bone dry tonne into 500 kilograms of bleached kraft pulp valued at around $350. This addition of value to the fibre will enable the mill owners to create many new jobs and to reduce the current trade deficit from imported pulp and paper products of around $2 billion per annum.

The 500 kg of each tonne of woodchips that does not end up as pulp (mainly lignin) will be burnt to release the solar energy stored by the tree in order to run the mill and to recycle the chemicals used to pulp the wood.

Kraft mills are usually self sufficient in energy and often have a small excess of electricity to contribute to the State power grid. In summary the kraft process effectively runs on solar energy stored in the wood and turns carbon dioxide that a tree has converted into cellulose fibre into a useful and natural polymer, papermaking pulp.

That is why there are so many kraft mills in environmentally conscious countries like Sweden, Finland, Norway and Canada.

Mr Ashbarry naturally (given his position as a pro-mill spin doctor) likes to enlist whatever psychological means are available to make the dioxins seem insignificant. So he regurgitates once more the old comparison of the "grain of salt in 24 Olympic swimming pools". This comes from Gunns Ltd's "Response to Submissions", appendix A, page 14 of 53.

It just happens to be wrong. The correct figure is 2.4 swimming pools. It doesn't require a PhD in maths to see this - they just took 10pg/L to be 10 to the minus 12 g/L, but of course it's 10 to the minus 11.

The figure doesn't matter a lot in itself, because we are not talking about salt (or pools)! But maybe it's indicative of Gunns sloppy maths. Makes one wonder what else is out by a factor of 10.

"If it is built, the mill will take woodchips that are currently exported with a value around $150 per bone dry tonne into 500 kilograms of bleached kraft pulp valued at around $350. This addition of value to the fibre will enable the mill owners to create many new jobs and to reduce the current trade deficit from imported pulp and paper products of around $2 billion per annum."

Not to mention the massive greenhouse gas (nasties ;) savings from cutting down on all the transport of those woodchips to other countries.

"The 500 kg of each tonne of woodchips that does not end up as pulp (mainly lignin) will be burnt to release the solar energy stored by the tree in order to run the mill and to recycle the chemicals used to pulp the wood."

Much better than burning fossil fuels....its renewable!

"It doesn't require a PhD in maths to see this - they just took 10pg/L to be 10 to the minus 12 g/L, but of course it's 10 to the minus 11."
Maybe you should get one...10pg/L is 10 to the minus 12 g/L or 1 to the minus 11.

Whee ew! What about those 128 scientists saying that the mill hasn't been properly evaluated then Alan? More green whacko's?

Rod up the road:
Billie claimed Timber Communities Australia shared quarters with the National Association of Forest Industries. Government websites show both organisations’ addresses as: 24 Napier Close, Deakin ACT 2600.

More tellingly, they share the same post office box:
PO Box 289 Deakin West ACT 2600

This tends to support Billie more than it supports you.

Also, Billie said that TCA and NAFI share a common executive director – Kate Carnell. You answered by listing the TCA’s last three CEOs. Were you mistaking a CEO for an executive director?

Billie, you say, got his information from Bob Burton, ex TWS. Would it be reasonable to conclude then that we should rely on Bob, rather than you, for accurate information

gee, timberjack. any other scientists in the news you might like to quote re gunns? did you learn your cherry-picking from ashbarry?