" most of what is being said is hype, slant, theory (RC conspiracy as well), hypothesis etc."

As they say Gibo, "ignorance is bliss" Do you know the first thing
about this topic?

Perhaps its time that you informed yourself, I shall make it easier
for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3147672.stm

BBC Panorama did a programme on this. The URL gives you a link
to read the transcript. Young girls of 13-14, forced to have
children, women with 7-8 kids, denied the right to have their
tubes tied. What the Vatican is doing in the 3rd world is an
outright scandal!

http://www.population-security.org/cffc-97-02.htm

tells you a bit about the huge lobbying effort that goes on,
in this case just in Europe. Huuuge Catholic $ are spent,
to influence various political agendas. The Vatican even has
a seat at the UN! I wonder if churchgoers who put their few
pennies in the plate on Sundays, are aware of how its spent.

Clearly the story is not about babies, or the Vatican would
not be so opposed to the snip, the pill, the condom and most
other forms of birth control. As was pointed out, they
want control of those "evil" people who actually enjoy
sex as one of the pleasures of life. Fear about pregnancy
is one way to do it! In the process, more little Catholics
can only benefit the power of the church, against their archenemy,
the muslims.

Whilst everybody is focusing on abortions and contraception what they are not stopping to pay attention to is the fact that so many females are getting themselves pregnant when clearly they are not ready and they are in no position to do so.

The question has to be asked, why are these women not smart enough to have avoided getting pregnant in the first place, either by abstinance or by using protection? Is it because abortions are given so freely and they are so protected that they don't bother to care?

There is something wrong with society when the consequence of starting the life of a child and or having to end the life of a child is not taken seriously.

I find it interesting that organisations with a history of banning contraception/abortion enjoyed prominence in feudal societies. Does this mean that civilisations that uphold the right of citizens to regulate their fertility will tend towards egalitarianism?

Mary is right that the pro-lifer's aren't interested in saving babies.

I think that the predominantly religeous anti-abortion, anti-contraception brigade really yearn for the "golden years" of the 50's, when women stayed home looking after the children all day. Cleaning the house and getting hubby's dinner ready for his arrival home. None of these pesky intelligent & ambitious women in the workplace (and not trying to become ministers in churches either). Oh I guess that a woman could still be a career woman but she'd have to practice abstinance... The churches would see this as their "cure" for the ills of society.

And the pope's refusal to endorse the use of condoms to prevent the spread of AIDS, is this the church's way of punishing or eradicating those who lead lifestyles that the church finds morally wrong?

And Jolanda, your comments demonstrate how anti-choicers also lack forgiveness and understanding, something your were supposed to learn a Sunday school. You degrade women who have terminations by use of terms like "not smart enough to avoid a pregnancy". And "..they don't bother to care" [using abstinance or contraception]. How do YOU know who these women are and what their circumstances were? Your stereotypical view of these women is what you have been fed by your conservative politicians or church leaders. Your comments are out of touch with the real-world reality that the majority of women who have unplanned pregnancies WERE using contraception

Jolanda, please enlighten me. How does a woman get herself pregnant? I mean, I have heard a rumour about some Hebrew chick that lived about 2000 years ago in modern day Isreal who claims she was pregnant but still a virgin. Aside from her, I am not aware of any woman that gets herself pregnant. *befudddled expression*

See here is the problem with society, there are still people out there who don't know how women get themselves pregnant?

The majority of abortions are not from women using proper contraception, it is from women not stopping to consider the consequences of their actions and not bothering to care.

Oh and I am not religious, nor am I anti-abortion as a rule. What I am is anti stupidity and we have so much stupidity and lack of responsiblity in this world today and that has created a situation where people seem to think that they are not responsible for their choices or actions and killing another, if they can justify it, is alright.

I have a wonderful baby bonus idea. How about if our Govenrment gives a $20,000 baby bonus to women who have never had an abortion and who have their first child after they are married.

Now there is some incentive.