Bushbred,

I think you need to have another look at history if you think that Kissinger brought Cambodia into the war. The communists were fully cognizant of the fact that the war was an Indochinese war. The major North-South main line of supply, the Ho Chi Minh trail, ran through both Laos and Cambodia. That’s not just Soviet supplies. Virtually ALL North Vietnamese formations marched down the Ho Chi Minh trail along with all of their weapons and supplies on their way to the South. So if anyone is responsible for Laos and Cambodia being involved it is the North Vietnamese leaders, Ho Chi Minh and Giap.

Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge didn’t just wink into existence. They were funded, armed and encouraged by both the USSR and China.

Peachy

I can’t believe your asking ME if I studied anything at all. Virtually all your information is wrong.

1948.

1. The armies of the 5 Arab states plus the volunteer corps from Saudi, Yemen invaded Israel after it announced its independence.
2. The Arab forces were initially around 20 000 strong but their tanks were Matildas, not light tanks at all. Israel had NO tanks. By the end of the conflict Arab forces in the field were more than 50,000 strong and included more than 150 tanks.
3. The Israeli forces were about 35 000 strong, but they were not a regular army. Twenty thousand of these troops were garrison-only troops.

Barak offered Arafat an eventual 91% of the West Bank, and all of the Gaza Strip, with Palestinian control over Eastern Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state; in addition, all refugees could apply for compensation of property from an international fund to which Israel would contribute along with other countries. But before any gradual Israeli withdrawal, all Palestinian terrorist infrastructure must be dismantled. Arafat, however, refused. The Palestinians wanted the immediate withdrawal of the Israelis from the occupied territories, and only subsequently the Palestinian authority would crush all Palestinian terror organizations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

Give the Zionist propaganda stuff a rest, by the way. Its juvenile.

Marilyn

Your not still citing Ilan Pappe!? But I suppose that any writer who supports your personal agenda is fine with you.

Ilan Pappe is among the most extreme of a group of radical Israeli historians - which include Benny Morris - who attempt to rewrite Israel’s history as born in original sin.

But unlike elsewhere in the Middle East, Israeli writers have freedom of speech.

Pappe have been discredited over and over again by historians and other intellectuals.

Pappe is a postmodernist, who believes that there is no such thing as historical truth.  He acknowledges he is not objective, his ideology as an activist in Israel’s fringe Communist party informs his historical writing and he admits caring little about historical accuracy. He liberally resorts to unsubstantiated facts and distorting truth to conform with his particular ideology.

For example, Pappe propagates the lie that Israeli committed a massacre in Jenin in 2002 despite copious refutations - including UN reports.

Benny Morris, himself, who has been accused of twisting the truth to fit his own hypothesis of Israel’s birth, stated Pappe’s work is appalling. 

He states: “The multiplicity of mistakes on each page is a product of both Pappé’s historical methodology and his political proclivities ... much of what Pappé tries to sell his readers is complete fabrication ... Anyone interested in the real history of Palestine/Israel and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict would do well to run vigorously in the opposite direction...The Palestinians are forever victims, the Zionists are forever “brutal colonizers"..."

You always appear to portray America as only on the outside whenever there is blame to lay Paul. The brief account I gave is out of the history books we used for study. Next thing you will be saying is that Kissinger and Nixon are well in the clear concerning any blame concerning Cambodia being brought into the Vietnam War.

The same participants, the same arguments, the same stories although topics seemingly differ each from other.

Nothing is absolute and both the Jews and the Arabs of Palestine should reflect this changing reality, as well as the outside world should be used to.

What is juvenile Paul.l,

Is your false indignation at Palestinan suicide attacks. You pretend to care about 'innocents' while the Israeli Occupation Force is bulldozing houses down on their occupants, murdering mothers and their children with fletchette rounds from main battle tanks, shooting boys throwing stones, dropping bombs on a whole apartment building to kill one resistance fighter, letting pregnant mothers miscarriage at checkpoints, allowing people to die who need medical attention at these same checkpoints, bracing their assault rifles on the shoulders of Palestinian civilians while using them as human shields, sending these same innocents into booby-trapped houses, killing peace activists and aid workers in cold blood, I'm running out of room and heart to continue.

You seem to think that people left with no other option, against a vastly superior military force, against people occupying their land with no end in sight, shouldn't fight back? I am against the killing of innocent people on both sides, but you need to get some perspective. Try and balance the small number of people killed in suicide attacks next to the thousands and thousands killed by the Israeli war machine, and the millions held in bondage, denied basic human rights and the protection of the Geneva Convention.

I don't see the difference between someone who looks his target in the eye before they explode, and someone flying over a target at mach one who pushes a button, and murders the same innocents. The pilot can return the next day and murder all over again, and go home and eat dinner with his family.

How can you compare rogue terrorism to State terrorism, when one is in desperation, the other in exploitation?

What is more dangerous, a small band of rogue terrorists, or the forth largest military machine in the world, supported by the greatest? Which one has the greater capacity to murder innocents?

Why are you defending the aggressor?

Oh yeah Paul.l,

Genocide is exactly what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people, according to the official definition. I found this version on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)

'Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.'

The original expulsion of Palestinians in 1948 (the Nekba) certainly fits this definition. And since 1967, the systematic expropriation of Palestinian land, the destruction of their culture, the killing of crops and orchids, the demolition of thousands of houses, the destruction of their economy and the brutal conditions of the Occupation count as genocide.

And when you consider the ultimate plan of Israel is to assume sovereignty over most of the West Bank through settlement in breach of so many international laws and moral principles, this is genocide.

So why do you support genocide?