Peachy,

Your post is a perfect example for people who are fed by crap that the media is broadcasting. If you want a balanced view then perhaps you should try queries on Google such as: "are Arab Israeli citizens loyal to their country?" or maybe "were Arab Israeli citizens ever involved in terror attacks against Israeli's?", and then perhaps you will begin to understand why there is so much mistrust and fear between the TWO sides, which is also the primary reason why Arabs and Israeli's are facing a great challange ending this conflict. The truth changes it's color when you put it in different a context. The video clips on Google are nothing but populist rubbish.

Earthrise

I never fails to astound me the number of so-called progressive people who strongly oppose the war on terror, yet are quite happy to accept the destruction of Israel.

Not only is this bigotry in the extreme, people who like to think of themselves as liberal defend this idea. One might as well say that Britain would have disappeared had it not been for the Americans with their lend lease program etc. This might is right attitude is frankly astounding coming from so-called progressives.

You call Israel racist for not wanting more Arabs inside their border, yet I am sure you won’t be complaining about the fact that Arab and Muslim countries are racist themselves. Hatred of Jews is taught in classrooms across the Middle East. How many Jews live in Arab countries?

A Jewish state was mandated by the League of Nations in 1922 following the Balfour Declaration. The UN special commission on Palestine recommended the creation of two states. The UN general assembly voted 33 to 13 to support this plan.

It suits the purposes of those who hate the US and Israel to pretend that Israelis are not under constant threat from Arab militants. Israel is at war with an enemy who seeks its total destruction. Anyone who doubts this should peruse the Hamas and Hezbollah charters.

It is clear that when you talk about peace you actually mean the destruction of the state of Israel. The only way Israel is going to be annihilated now is if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Something some OLO posters actually hope for. At the same time these people vehemently oppose the sale of uranium to India.

Bushbred

Your rubbish about global democracy falls down because a large majority of countries on earth aren’t democratic at all. Especially in the Middle East.

America’s forgiveness to its former enemies didn’t take place until after the allies WON and were safe from attack.

Marilyn

I am sure you have heard the quote, ‘there are lies, damn lies and statistics.’ I’d like to know who put yours together.

Boaz, I will have to agree with you on one point,
"To this day, the Jews know the value of 'highly placed people' in foreign governments who can save their rear end in times of international strife."
Get your head out of the bible and its biased pro Jewish teachings. The Jews ceased to be God's chosen people millenia ago.

Paull,
"It suits the purposes of those who hate the US and Israel to pretend that Israelis are not under constant threat from Arab militants. Israel is at war with an enemy who seeks its total destruction. Anyone who doubts this should peruse the Hamas and Hezbollah charters."
Of course they are under constant threat and why should they not be. If the Iranians get their act together they will be under more threat and with the balance of power swinging against them they may at last realise that they have to give the Palestinians a better deal.

David

David (VK3) the point I make about the Jews and 'chosen people' is basically this:

Considering that the Settlers do not recognize Jesus as Messiah, they are still mentally living in the 'Covenant relationship' mode of the Old Testament.

Rightly or wrongly, they are seeking to Honor Yahweh and live within that Covenant. Because they are actually OBEYING the covenant, there is no mental or spiritual barrier in 'THEIR' minds about their status as 'owners' rather than 'occupiers'.

Honestly, I don't know how it will all pan out, but one think I'm sure of, nothing 'we' mankind do will alter it.
My gut feeling, based on scripture, including the various prophecies is this.
-The temple will be rebuilt
-War will break out.
-An antiChrist figure will emerge.
-Israel will lose the immediate war (after the Temple has been restored) and the temple will be defiled. A false prophet will try to lead mankind away from Christ.
-Armageddon will occur
-Christ will return.

There is much I could have put there, but its too speculative.

If I'm wrong....then so be it :) but I would be keeping a close eye on events in the Middle East AND in Europe...and be on the look out for an economic system which requires all of us to be somehow 'linked' to it.

Palestinian terror ? I'd say 'you aint seen nothin yet' but for a glimpse of how it might be if it could see here.

http://www.truelebanon.bravehost.com/pics/dampics-slideshow.html

If the Israelis used their true power now...they could do the same as the PLO did at Damour, and finish the job completely. Arabs should be thankful they don't take the PLO approach to the Christians of Damour.

Marilyn- "The Jews all have somewhere else to be, only 39% bother to live in Isreal".

Arent there presently a few million Jews living in Isreal? (39%)?
They cannot all leave Palestine and go somewhere else as you say.

What country in the world is going to permit the immigration of millions of Jews into their country all at once. Or even 10's of thousands if split between different countries. This was exactly the problem after World War2. No country in the world would take such huge numbers of Jewish refugees. As I said the British settled the issue by putting the Jews in Palestine because the Arabs collabrated with Hitler in his plans to exterminate the Jews.

The Arabs and the Jews are both guilty of wanting the same thing Ethnic cleansing of the other side. Ethnic cleansing is actually territorial tribal warfare. We've seen it many many times before in conflicts around the world.

Earthwise- "They did not get out of The Gaza just to be nice."

They got out of The Gaza because Hezbollah constantly stated that their occupation of The Gaza was the reason they kept firing rockets into Israel. It was when Hezbollah kept attacking after they gave back The Gaza that Israel attacked them again.
You failed to mention that The Gaza and West Bank was taken during the six day war when the Arab states attacked Israel and were defeated in a short six days.

"the crushing defeat of Isreal by Hezbollah" Where do you get your information from. Al Jazerra television?

Isreal was ordered to stop their attack by the increasing pressure being applied by the United Nations and World Opinion.
They could have wiped the place off the map if they'd really wanted too.