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Recommitting to multiculturalism : Comments
By Tom Calma, published 22/8/2007Reinvigorating multiculturalism is not just an option, it is a necessity for a healthy, functioning democracy.
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Posted by Ginx, Saturday, 8 September 2007 11:12:32 PM
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Rainier, you previously quoted from a government fact sheet about immigration statistics:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/02key.htm The data shows *exactly* why many Australians oppose our recent immigration policy. There are more than double the number of migrants from Asia compared with the UK. *Double*! But the UK is our original cultural homeland, and Asia has no cultural connection at all. Tally it up: Oceania (mostly NZ), Europe (mostly UK) and the Americas are only 43.7% of the total. *Less than half* are from related Western cultures! And you wonder why we're scared our culture won't survive. Who's going to perpetuate it in the future? But then, you deny we even *have* a culture, so I guess you can't answer that. Now, how about a hypothetical conspiracy theory: Does it ever occur to you watermelons that you might be being *used* as pawns. Do you think that once Western liberal democracies have been so destabilised by multicultural immigration that they no longer know who they are, that *your* agenda will prevail? Please! Once the chaos reaches boiling point, a religious dictatorship steps in and crushes *all* human culture, including my decadent liberalism, your watermelonism and ethnic cultures too. You can't impose a global religious dictatorship if every nation still knows and wants its own identity. You must crush these first, or the people will reject the dictatorship. However, people will accept it, if they no longer know what their culture is, and are so sick of the chaos, anything is a better option, even religious dictatorship. It doesn't even matter whether the dictatorship is Christian or Muslim, the end result will be the same: The death of liberty and any real human culture. Yes, it's "crazy". If I'm wrong, no big deal. But what if I'm not? Wake up, puppets. I'm not your real enemy. You should be glad there still are people like me. It means we still have the freedom to dissent. Posted by Shockadelic, Saturday, 8 September 2007 11:44:09 PM
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Another multicultural thread where the theorist argue the idealism and the realist arguing the facts at ground level. In theory everyone get to practice and have their 'culture' acknowledged. In fact it becomes social manipulation by special interest and government lobby and 'cultural' and 'ethnic' exceptions to the rules and social expectations that should apply to all equally with out exception. But in lieu of that true society we end up with a plethora of "the Ethnic Communities Council of(insert your place name here)", as we have.
MC does not promote a unified social structure. As each 'culture' or 'ethnicity' enters the society another fracture tears along lines of 'culture' and 'ethnicity'. The definition of a society is; An extended social group having a distinctive cultural and economic organization. The definition of a multicultural society is; An extended multi-ethnicity of cultural enclaves struggling for acknowledgment and special considerations based on that 'ethnicity' or 'culture'. For those of us who have seen the movie, Dark City, we know that sometimes the tuning doesn't take and some of us become aware of the manipulation and spin. For a more realistic understanding of the manipulation I suggest the book, Trust Us, We're Experts, by Stauber & Rampton. The following link will take you to a related article on just how we are being manipulated into believing that the no thing is more valuable. http://www.rense.com/general12/believe.htm Posted by aqvarivs, Saturday, 8 September 2007 11:58:09 PM
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Interesting dictionary. Now on special for 20 cents.
I thought this was interesting:- Paddymelons: thick-skinned, embittered Right-Whingers, who obsess about Race, and continually warn others of the dire consequences of not embracing their views. It is believed that this group were spawned from the principle of believing all they hear from those they see as born to lead them. Posted by Ginx, Sunday, 9 September 2007 12:40:41 AM
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“I'm a "closet multiculturalist"?
No, I'm an out-of-the-closet liberal (small "L"). The "principles of multiculturalism" didn't exist for *centuries* in liberal democracies? They just appeared out of thin air a few decades ago!” Oh come now, as a so called liberal you should know that the fundamental basis of our liberal democracy has withstood numerous periods of conflict in Australia. 19th century politics was characterized by protestant and catholic rivalry and the perceived riotousness in either political party’s belief, not to mention our socialist period where class conflict and the struggle between labor and capital threatened to erode liberalism all together. Were lucky in Australia to have entrenched political and legal institutions, it’s the difference between a failed state which has succumbed to these fundamental conflicts flanked by religion, race, class conflict, labor and capital etc etc.. Ultimately any abhorrent ideas you might associate with multiculturalism will be resolved so don’t worry son. Anyway Multiculturalism is essentially based on a liberalist ideal i.e. pluralism; Liberalism offers the opportunity, under a state indifferent to the ways or the goals of the different peoples living under the law, for people to coexist and for their different arts, stories, sciences to flourish or die out with them. It offers this not because the laws grant other cultures or communities recognition, but because the laws are silent and as long as individuals or a community adheres to the rule of law I really don’t see a perceived problem with multiculturalism and statements such as; “Please! Once the chaos reaches boiling point, a religious dictatorship steps in and crushes *all* human culture, including my decadent liberalism, your watermelonism and ethnic cultures too..” Are completely unfounded and incite fear mongering Posted by peachy, Sunday, 9 September 2007 3:27:42 PM
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Where you totolly miss the point is that you are not the first person that I've debated on this topic. In fact I've lost count.
What is universal in all your responses (including yours) is a lack of historical knowledge about this country, the world and especially how liberal democracy came about, its origins and principles. I don't have to time (or indeed the inclination) to give you a potted history of where and how international laws impacted on domestic policy or how and why Australian adopted a policy of MC. You're punching way above your intellectual weight shoka. Do some study,(meaning do some primary research) think more deeply and i honestly hope you'll grow a brain and a heart from doing this. I'm off to play with more erudite posters elsewhere. Ciao! Posted by Rainier, Sunday, 9 September 2007 5:08:31 PM
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They're worth every bit of the 50 cents you paid for them.