Shockadelic resigns himself to "constant misinterpretation and contemptuous bullying by FrankGol".

FrankGol says: Huh? What's he on? Wasn't Shocker the guy who insisted I answer to him even after I said I was wasting my time? Is the theory true that the bullied really ask for it?

I've decided finally that Shocker is a closet multiculturalist. Tom Calma espouses the principles of multiculturalism and Shocker says:"... these aren't the 'principles of multiculturalism'. They're the principles of liberalism and democracy." Out of the mouth of babes...

Now Shocker makes another profound discovery: "Can Australians 'practice their own culture' if it ceases to exist?" Look out Australia, there's been a palace revolution. Australian culture ceased to exist last night. Perhaps The Chaser Team stole it for OPEC, or was that Georgie's Austria?

The many faces of Shocker:

Shocker the futurologist: "White urban ghettos? Ghettos for the majority? Ironically, it's beginning to happen. You *will* see ghettos of white people one day, seething with anger, plotting terrorist attacks." Bugger the law, eh Shocker? If those blacks get into power, let's smash 'em. How about we try and conquer South Africa again? That might be easier than trying to rescue Australia from the blacks, eh?.

Shocker the tolerant: "The only culture I *need* to understand is my own."

Shocker the paradoxocologist: "MC perversely says you can be 'us' and 'them' simultaneously! MC is 'misanthropic' as it opposes human instincts."

Shocker the victim: This contemptuous bullying by FrankGol.

I know it's Friday night Shocker but can you please settle down. ASIO is worried about that Canadian flag at the Intercontinental.

Rainier, you are amazingly rude!

As to South Africa:
1. We are discussing Australia.
2. Who is ruling South Africa now?
A racial/cultural majority!
The apartheid years were a brief historical aberration.
3. Southern Africa was first "united" by the genocidal Shaka Zulu who killed *two million* other Africans.
Don't kid yourself that only whites are villians in African history.

FrankGol? Should I even bother?

I'm a "closet multiculturalist"?
No, I'm an out-of-the-closet liberal (small "L").

The "principles of multiculturalism" didn't exist for *centuries* in liberal democracies?
They just appeared out of thin air a few decades ago!

"Australian culture ceased to exist last night."

I repeat: Can Australians 'practice their own culture' *if* it ceases to exist?
"If", Frank, I said "if". It means possibility, not actuality.

"Shocker the futurologist:
Bugger the law. If those blacks get into power, let's smash 'em. How about we try and conquer South Africa again?"

A description of something (future white terrorism) isn't an *endorsement* of it.

I have no interest in conquering anybody's territory, only protecting my own.

When did this discussion become about "blacks" and South Africa?
Oh, if I'm against multiculturalism, I must be in favour of racism, segregation, genocide, etc.
Of course.

"Shocker the tolerant: "The only culture I *need* to understand is my own.""

Note emphasis on *need*.
If I don't live in France or plan on travelling there, do I *need* to understand their culture?
I can *choose* to, but I don't *need* to.

"Shocker the paradoxocologist":
MC pretends simultanously that we are all "us" (Australians) but also "them" (Italians, Japanese, Turks).

"Australian" is a national/cultural identity.
So are "Italian", "Japanese" and "Turk". Nations *and* cultures.

Can one be *truly* two national/cultural identities?
Not superficially or peripherally, but 100% both.
Simultaneously!
Is this not a paradox?

"Shocker the victim"
Well, it took less than 2 hours for you to smell blood in the water, yet oddly you "didn't have the time" to finish another debate and it looks like you'll do your usual card tricks here.

No answers. No real critique. Just condescension.

Shoka, so just what is your so called culture? do you share this exact culture with every white Australian? What are its customs and traditions?

In your white fantasy world of having a distinct culture you like to think you share in a concept of cultural nationalism as a space structured around this amorhous White culture where Aboriginal people and non-White ‘ethnics’ are merely national objects to be moved (or removed) according to a White national will.

Its a fantasy you want everyone here to believe. Why?

Without it you would not exist as you think you do now.

You would have to admit that you have absolutely no control over MC.

Welcome to the REAL work.

I hope that on day you have the courage to pull your your head out of your backside before you implode with self delusional racist hubris.

If only FrankGol would stop being such a bully, and Rainier would stop being so rude, then racist fools like Shocker could get on with their ethnic cleansing fantasies in peace.

Ignorant, stupid, racist.

Yawn!

Rainier, you live in Australia.
I have to explain to you what our culture is?
Are you a 6 year old in primary school? "Sir, what's culture?"

Foreign cultural elements are not distinctly Australian.
There are "Chinatowns" in London, New York, Paris.

*Originally*, even what became "Australian" was foreign.
It was British.

But that developed, the settlers became the majority (and still are), and uniquely Australian cultural phenomena appeared, like calling everybody "mate".
(You won't hear that in Britain, will you?)

"Cultural nationalism" isn't a fantasy, nor even a specifically "white" concept.

It is the norm throughout history, all over the world, regardless of race.
Aberrations from this norm don't last long.

The Soviet Union crumbled partly because of the distinct cultural groups within it.
They soon reasserted their "cultural nationalism" as Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, with borders on maps to prove it.

"Without it you would not exist as you think you do now". Exactly!

Learning about the culture you live in is an experiential, unstoppable process from birth onwards, but it's no fantasy.

It creates your whole reality, even if you question or rebel against certain aspects of it.

You think you can artificially "dictate" culture from above, ignoring the real history of real people.

"You have absolutely no control over MC".
Precisely why it is illiberal and undemocratic.
You just proved my point.

CJ Morgan: A liberal condoning ethnic cleansing?
To quote Rainier: "You are amazingly ignorant and stupid".

From my undertanding of history, it's "true believers" like you watermelons who do all the killing.

Watermelonism.
Definition: An incoherent, contradictory, mishmash of green, leftist and politically correct ideologies, which may originally have had some validity but are now a dogmatic orthodoxy, a religion masquerading as politics.
Any oppostion is attacked as "evil", "false", "wrong", "stupid", even if alternatives have reasonable grounds.

The only reason I'm still alive is because the watermelons don't have the authority to kill me.

CJ, Rainier and FrankGol: Attack often and harshly enough and I'll just go away?
There's your "fantasy", Rainier.

Great to see all the same suspects churning out more of the same. Paul is also here using his favourite stop gap: telling someone with another opinion to leave Australia.

By the way, I'm one of the carefully selected migrants and know the process well. Sadly very, very many Australian born citizens would not make the grade if they had to apply for citizenship.

Very, very many Australian born citizens are incapable of explaining our system of government, have absolutely no knowledge of our constitution or the importance of having a constitution and do not understand what Federalism is all about. Very, very many Australian born citizens have no knowledge of her history other than some vague explorer stories of the Burke and Wills type. The majority of new Australians on the other hand do.

Perhaps we should have a two-tier citizenship. Those who are allowed to vote and participate in our political process and those who are not. The migrant selection process and citizenship process would be an admirable method to select class A (voting eligible) citizens. Anybody who doesn't pass would be a non-voting Class B citizen. Unfortunately they wouldn't be able to be sent away anywhere being born and bred here. We'll just have to put up with this rabble.

Australia is the best country to live in. We have a vibrant, stimulating society open to many different ideas and ways of looking at how to live good productive lives. We do not have a stagnant monolithic monoculture. People like myself know, we have experienced alternatives.

Being free to acknowledge your own cultural background openly and proudly does not equate with being unpatriotic to Australia. It would be good for Australians to learn more about what really makes this nation what it is, her system of government and political process, her legal system, her history. Then there would not be this inordinate fear of 'other' cultures.