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We are playing a dangerous game : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 3/8/2007

The media’s unrelenting promotion of a negative image of Islam and the government’s scare tactics must cease.

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I have a little experience of the Moslem community in Australia.

The Moslem people that I knew used different logical processes - they thought differently - which made effective communication difficult. I had the impression that the different thought patterns of my Moslem friends were influenced by the different language, different values and "manners", their stronger oral tradition and by their traditional loyalty to tribal groups rather than to a country or a political party.
I think we need to put some effort into understanding this different way of thinking.

For our own protection.
Posted by Dealing With The Mob, Saturday, 4 August 2007 2:25:00 PM
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Brian

The Muslim community in Australia are not a threat.

Many of the ex-pat Iraqi's living in Australia prior to the US invasion, were, infact, supportive of this measure, having been victims of their leader's oppressive regime.

I believe it's the 'group-think' of narrow minded Australians that need to be addressed, as some of the comments on this thread indicate.
Posted by Liz, Saturday, 4 August 2007 4:49:57 PM
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Liz,
Like I said ...
"Manners" are different in different cultures. Some Moslem cultures do not value what we would see as "the facts". They value telling you what will make you happy. If you want to hear that there is not problem, that is what they will tell you. It is just a question of good manners.
Is there a problem in Australia?
I would like to make you happy and tell you that there is no potential problem in Australia.
But I can't do that.

Maybe I have a problem with my manners.
But the truth is that there is the potential.
Posted by Dealing With The Mob, Saturday, 4 August 2007 5:39:36 PM
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Paul.L, yes the coaltion INVASION of Iraq, how many civilians killed by coalition force Paul and how am i an "apologist for islamic fundamentalism" i'm not arguing the defence of any manifestation of islamic fundamentalism you tool i'm saying we the 'good guys' are terrorising civilian populations on a scale far greater than what the 'terrorists' are!! not just iraq and the OCCUPIED territories Paul.L >> try vietnam bolivia brazil cambodia indonesia CHILE guatemala el salvador NICARAGUA (off the top of my head) for starters Paul.L, try leaving home and start thinking for yourself >>> seems the National Front is well represented in this thread!
Posted by justoneperson, Saturday, 4 August 2007 7:57:59 PM
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Justoneperson, you are pathetic. If you can’t see the difference between the unfortunate civilian deaths in combat in Iraq, and what the islamo fascists are doing, you just don’t want to. Civilian deaths in Iraq are in the main, caused by the warring sects themselves. The civilian deaths which can be attributed to the coalition can mostly be laid at the feet of the brave fighters of AlQaeda who hide behind women and children, while they set their bombs. By your rationale, the allies during ww2 were also terrorists, since very large numbers of French civilians died during the reoccupation of Europe. If you can’t see a difference between the terrorists deliberate policy to target civilians, and the allies attempts to avoid civilian casualties, you are soft in the head.

If we were terrorising these people like you say, they would have all run for the hills. Just look at what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo, when a western army really did use terror as a weapon. Every man, woman and child that could move, packed their belongings and fled. This is clearly not what is happening in Iraq.

As for the occupied territories, the Israelis would be doing exactly the same things whether they had American support or not.

Americas intervention in almost all the countries you mentioned occurred during the COLD WAR, some as long ago as 40 years ago. Sure the right wing Gov’t weren’t very nice in many of these places. But just think about Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, the Shining Path, Robert Mugabe and the other communist backed regimes in Africa, the Indonesian Polri and TNI in East Timor and Aceh etc. The Vietcong massacred 5000 people in one day in the city of Hue in 1968. The Russians crushed protests with tanks, The Chinese did the same. You want to blame someone else for all that?

Mate I’ve left home, I just don’t see the world through your soft-left, rose-coloured glasses. Regurgitating the west hating garbage that is printed in so many far left rags doesn’t make you educated mate
Posted by Paul.L, Saturday, 4 August 2007 11:19:52 PM
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Is the media promoting a anti-Islamic profile or a anti-Islamist profile and does one wish to further articulate the respective differences?
The everyday good and faithful Muslim in truth are of no potential threat to any society other than changing the locus of that social dynamic.
Islam has done no thing. Islamist on the other hand are using and corrupting Islam to foment a climate of social and political hostility in hopes of achieving power. Not for the good of religion but, rather for racial and or cultural dominance. And where they have no hope of power, to destroy infrastructure and the use of other acts of terrorism such as kidnappings and setting bombs to torment that society and gain newsworthy mention as a force to be reckoned with.
It is not we who are playing a dangerous game. We will continue to be. They on the other hand have limited time and scope as eventually those countries easily accessed and influenced by the radicalisation of Islam are made to see a larger global picture. Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia Herzegovina, Lebanon, etc. are more instances of social policing than warfare.
It's not a war against Islam. It's a global police effort to stop the sick and twisted from destroying, influencing or dominating. It's a move to protect the innocent and if all possible allow them to democratically choose their leadership.
Posted by aqvarivs, Sunday, 5 August 2007 12:23:07 AM
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