dickie,
re: dairy and prostate cancer http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1701909.htm
It would appear no such link exists in Australia.

When you say a 20% protein diet, do you mean it's all animal sourced protein? Since animal protein levels are around that 20% level, this suggests the rats could have been eating only meat. Hardly a balanced diet.

Dickie ” those who refuse to acknowledge the scientific evidence where their only interest is in themselves and their own comforts!”

Ah, the ills of capitalism, why all those selfish people who follow their own path to self actualization rather than submit to the dictates of supposed “scientific correctness” (“supposed” being based on the seemingly unending number of scientific studies which contradict one another).

It is like this dickie, you can preach all you want but we are all free to choose and decide for ourselves.

In my world, what matters is to listen to the scientific evidence and then decide for myself.

Some call that selfishness, I call it self assertion.

I have personally observed that those who follow the rules and live a vegan lifestyle don’t live any longer, to them it just seems longer.

If all I had to look forward to was a subsistence existence, living on boiled roots and thatching my own clothes, I think I would rather be dead.

I look forward to many things, some of which you and the scientists may approve, some things disapprove and all of which any "approval" is completely redundant to.

Now bring on the scantily clad, big busted serving girls, I need my pillows pumped and grapes peeled, (what is life without comforts?)

ColRouge

Membership is free to the institute for "Those who refuse to acknowledge the scientific evidence and think only of their own comforts." You certainly qualify!

Your comprehension of the written word is poor as is that of your other buddies on this post who have vested interests in the farming industry.

At no time have I recommended readers to convert to vegans. Nor am I a vegan.

What I have recommended is a reduction in consumption of meat and dairy products, a reduction in livestock numbers and an educational programme to alert citizens of the ramifications to the environment and human health from gorging on animal flesh.

Factory farmed animals are now seriously contaminated by various veterinary drugs and unethical and cruel agricultural practices where the motives of many growers are strictly fiscal without regard for the health of the animal, consumers or the environment.

Though I am reluctant to speak on a personal basis, I would hazard a guess that I have the potential to be the oldest poster on this forum. I am perfectly healthy and consume no more than 150 grams of meat over a week.

Many of my friends are now deceased - ranging from their 40's onwards. Those friends of mine who are now suffering from prostate cancers (3) are all large meat eaters who continue to disregard the long-term effects of an imprudent diet where they view the consumption of a meal without meat as unthinkable. Clearly, they remain toxic and depressed as I watch on in silence.

I remind you that this forum is for debate, not for preachers as you suggest. Should you continue to insist that I am preaching then I must accuse you of similar tactics where your hedonistic motives lack any altruistic concerns for the environment, your fellow man or other species!

As for the "ills of capitalism" I advise that most of my family would be viewed as capitalists. Some are and have been Liberal politicians. They do not lead a life of "subsistence." They too are free to choose their own destinies. What is your point?

"What I have recommended is a reduction in consumption of meat"

Well Dickie, there is good news and there is bad news. The
good news for you is that the consumption of meat per capita,
in places like the US, might well decrease in the future.

Food, in particular meat, has been far too cheap in the past,
based on give away US corn prices of 80US$ a tonne. Thats all
changing now, as grain is so cheap in relative terms, that it
makes better sense to convert it into ethanol and biodiesel,
then for cattle feed.

So the prediction is that grain prices will rise, linked to
energy prices. That means more expensive meat, so less
consumption per capita. So your health fears will be lessened.

The bad news for you is that ever more grain will be produced to
satisfy energy needs, as the price of oil rises.

At your age, not much you can do about it, so best you just have
a cup of tea and a lie down for a bit :)

"Americans are well known for supersizing everything and covering it in lard. No wonder they have health problems."

Errrr.....ahhh, he... hem, Yabby.

The definition of lard:

"The rendered fat of a hog."

I rest my case!

Speaking of comprehension dickie, it was most apparent that yabby meant lard as relating to animal fat, though whether or not he knew it was specific to pig fat ( I din't until you pointed it out) doesn't seem earth shattering news.

Clinical studies reveal that animal fat is a major contributer to disease. Not necessarily the lean meat. Unfortunately "meat" studies include pies, which may be only 25% meat, and sausages where they "must be at least 50% meat and where fat must not make up more than 50% of the meat content" (food standards Aust). ie 25% meat.
They also include processed and fermented meats that really fall short of what I'd call meat.
Often it's not the meat but the way it's cooked- burnt bits, as with toast, are known to contain carcinogens. These factors skew results.

A little further investigation of the prostate cancer-milk study revealed that the conclusions were drawn on milk drinkers consuming 6 cups of milk per day, or about 1.5litres/day. Normal consumption(3) didn't have measurable effect.

Of course french fries are healthy, being vegetarian and all, and what about the macular degeneration linked to vegetable oils? All in all moderation is best.