Kactuz

You wrote:

‘ Do you think the actions of Islam's prophet are morally acceptable ... I am talking murder, persecution, enslavement, torture, plunder, rape and Mohammad even beating his wife... ‘

Again, you don't get to define Muslims.

I doubt very much that modern-day Australian Muslims pillage, rape, and plunder, as Ancient Muslims did. Nor should they be defined by what happened during that period of Ancient history or by what happens in Muslim countries overseas

Modern-day non-Muslims Australians are not defined by their pillaging, raping, plundering ancestors of Ancient times. Nor should we be defined by what happens in Christian countries overseas.

Possibly Kactuz, if a DNA sample was taken from you, there might just be a strand that matches DNA of middle-eastern ancient forebears, as the delightful Pauline Hanson was shocked to find out recently. Does this make Pauline Hanson a pillaging, raping, plundering Muslim OR a pillaging, raping, plundering Christian?

Boaz-David

You wrote:

‘ in the same way as you are charging the 'Islamophobics' of being racist this and that.. (i.e. you are lumping them all in one bucket), you are also lumping all Muslims in the same bucket…Your choice is to lump them in a 'good/friendly/peaceful' bucket.’

That’s not what I’ve said at all. That’s what you’ve said I said.

I happen to agree with the content of the rest of your post. However, the difference is my concern with posters obsessed with fanatical Muslims, who are not a concern here in Australia, whilst seemingly unconcerned with fanatical Christians.

The real danger for Australia at the moment are the people obsessed with Muslim ‘terrorists’.

They have made Australia an unsafe place for our Muslim Citiizens. A Muslim Women’s association has reported that Muslim women are harassed and abused frequently in Australia, particularly when the media beat up a story on ‘terrorism’. They have learnt not to leave their houses until the frenzy has subsided slightly.

So Kactuz, Muslims are not safe to ‘walk the street’ here in Australia.

Liz
What utter rubbish.
There are no shortage of Muslim ladies up here and I actually mix and work with these people.
Nobody has had any trouble what so ever. Just the other day the ladies were saying how nice and friendly the Aussies are to them
Dream on.
People like you cause trouble where there is none Liz.
The Mosque up here always invites everybody to BBQs.
To be REALLY honest with you there has been trouble with some of the Muslim youth picking on our young girls walking to the beach but thats all.
As a result the Muslim Leader has resonded and sorted them out quickly

Please stick to facts in future Liz.

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Go back and read my posts.

You'll find that you're opinion is the same as mine, and that I was defending the Muslim community from Kactuz and Boaz David who were demonising them.

Moonbat: Oz Turkish Muslims are different
http://abandonskip.blogspot.com/2007/07/moonbat-oz-turkish-muslims-are.html

"... kudos to young aussie Turks for having minds of their own. They perhaps don't deserve the stereotype for crime and violence that other Muslim groups have created for them.

However, as Turkey is in the process of throwing out Kemalism, it shows that Oz Turkish Muslims offer us no protection against creeping Islamisation. You have taken a small Muslim sample here in Australia, and extrapolated ... that their descendants will likewise be harmless. If Turkey can teach us anything, it is that moderate Muslims can be the forerunner for radicals, whether they intend it or not.

It is ironic that the moment you attribute Turkey’s "fierce historic commitment to national secularism" to aussie Turks, is the moment it is being extinguished in Turkey. You failed to explain why this won't be repeated here in Australia."

Seyit Gives Turkey-Slap to Secularists
http://abandonskip.blogspot.com/2007/08/seyit-gives-turkey-slap-to-secularists.html

"Here is a fine example of that "different breed" of Muslim, the Aussie-Turk. Kuranda Seyit gleefully rubs his hands together as he waves goodbye to secular Turkey ..."

Seyit defies Dr Liza Hopkins' view that Aussie-Turk Muslims are harmless. Seyit gives the finger to the secularists in Turkey, and by inference, secularists in Australia. Seyit climaxes by contradicting Hopkin's claim that Aussie Turks reject the Islamist "global community of believers" with the triumphant exclamation:

"We are witnessing the global phenomenon of an Islamic resurgence."

Aussie-Turkish Muslims may not have the profile for crime and violence, but they offer no protection against creeping Islamisation. And some, like Kuranda Seyit, actively work for it.

All Muslims are a threat to secular democracies. That, along with terror and violence, is why all Muslim immigration should be halted now.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22115590-2703,00.html

"Turkish voters head to the polls, July 23, 2007

Ataturk would be horrified," said Nur Serter, a designer-clad professor of economics and "secularist" parliamentary candidate for the opposition Republican People's party . She reeled off a long list of Islamist violations of the Ataturk code.

"Women are being advised to check with the imam if it is all right for them to have cosmetic surgery or get a divorce," she said.

"The Education Ministry is filled with people from religious backgrounds."

According to Necla Arat, a retired philosophy professor and another female champion of the CHP, young girls are even being left to drown at sea because male lifeguards are forbidden by the Islamic code from handling them in any rescue attempt.

"In some municipalities run by the AKP," she complained, "we have started to see 'women only' parks and 'women only' swimming pools." ...

Erdogan is reputed to have said that democracy was "like a train which you get off when you reach your destination" -- an utterance often trotted out by opponents who suspect him of wanting to impose an Islamic state."

Turkey voted to return Erdogan's Islamist AK party the other day. So beware of all Muslims, including the Oz Turkish variety. Like Ataturk, Australia will be horrifed one day if Muslims continue to outbreed us and slowly strangle secularism. One day you will wake up, like Turkey, and find it has gone.

More moderate Muslims of Turkish origin. This time in France ...

Islamic holiday camp shut down in France
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=42212

"NANCY, France, July 24, 2007 (AFP) - An Islamic holiday camp in the Vosges mountains in eastern France has been shut down due to concerns children were being subjected to a punishing religious routine, officials said Tuesday.

The camp, organised by a Turkish group from the city of Nancy, was ordered to close because of "overly present cultural practices," according to an administrative official in the town of Epinal.

"We had information allowing us to believe that children were being physically threatened," said local youth and sports official Frederic Roussel" ...

A probe was opened early this month after a child called the local police to complain of "physical constraints" at the camp, such as being forced to wake up at night to pray.

The subsequent inquiry found the camp environment "excessively rigorous, verging on disciplinarian", focused on the "intensive and compulsory practice of Turkish religion and culture" and lacking in other educational or leisure activities, according to court documents."