Thanks Sneekepeete and Mercurius. It's always good to be sniped at by you. It means I'm still on the right track.

Sniping!!?? Leigh - Most people (excluding me) would take kindly to be described as a fellow who doesnt suffer fools gladly - I on the other hand dont suffer those who dont suffer fools

- and as for the media I am serious when I ask what are the parameters of a media out of control and what does a media "in control" look like - in control of what ? or in control of whom?

While I am convinced that their are many good muslim people in Australia it does not change the fact that the prophet Mohammed was not a nice person and would be gaoled in any civilised world today. It is easy to defend the teachings and example of Christ but impossible to do the same for Mohammed.

I for one see my loyalties first to Christ knowing that my nation, family and friends benefit by me becoming more like Him. The same could not be said of Mohammed

Runner

I believe your comments represent what is the true danger to national security.

The use of Turkish Muslims as an example of those "whose Muslim identity is subordinate to national, cultural and ethnic affiliations" could not have had much worse timing:

Kemalism: 1881 - 2007, RIP
http://abandonskip.blogspot.com/2007/07/kemalism-1881-2007-rip.html

Liberal Islam = Turkish Suicide
http://abandonskip.blogspot.com/2007/07/liberal-islam-turkish-suicide.html

Fitzgerald: Ataturk's legacy
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017495.php

the Turkey Paradox
http://squalidshoebox.blogspot.com/

This text by Liza Chamberlain Hopkins is one banality after another.

Quote: "Using the Internet ...circumvents the bias in western mainstream media against Islam"

So Muslim can tap into the Islamic bias back home against the West. Perhaps Liza should learn about the violence preached against the West in mosques throughout Islamic world.

Quote: "Islam itself is seen as a threat to the Australian way of life. This is reflected in ...the preponderance of stories relating to negative portrayals of Muslims."

Perhaps this has to do with the things Muslims do that cause this "negative portrayals." Is she saying we shouldnt talk about these things? We shouldnt consider Islam a threat? Just because its intolerant and violent? There wouldnt be so many negative portrayals if Muslims didn't do so many negative things.

Dr Hopkins nuanced and meaningful discourse about social identities, which constructs a singular, hybrid and spurious link relative to the interaction between a homogenised category defined by a diversified hyphenated identity and bounded groups of individuals in complex interpersonal, multicultural relationships, provides a critical analysis of mainstream stereotypes that simplify complexity - or complexify simplicity - I can't figure out which, but its ok as long as you use cute words and I am going to puke...

This lady can't keep her facts coherent. She says stereotypes are unwarrented, but then admits this discourse is "actively resisted by at least some of those people to which it has been ascribed." So only a few dont fit the stereotype?

Liza, Muslims values are not Western values. They love a man that murdered, tortured, plundered, enslaved and raped. The Quran is full of violence. Speaking of Turkey, do you remember the brutal torture of 3 Christians recently?
Mohammad tortured, Muslim torture. They did it for Islam. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html
I havent forgotten.

The fact is that once majority, Muslims have no respect for others:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3630860.stm
any excuse is enough to protest, kill.

Muslims come to the west and bring their hate with them. Instead of cute, 2 cent words, why not be honest and stand up for equality and human rights?

kactuz