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Catholics limiting choice : Comments

By Rodney Croome, published 6/6/2007

Who defines 'Catholic'? Will students be turned away from Catholic schools because their parents are single, in de facto relationships or not regular church goers?

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CatholicMomO3's views on homosexuality seem pretty whimpy compared with some True Believers:

http://www.tencommandments.org/homosexual.html

But that raises a serious question - if homosexuality is a "sin" so appalling that it warrants the death penalty, shouldn't all good Christian educators be teaching their students this "Truth"? Shouldn't Pell be openly saying that?

On another note, I do hope that Catholic schools in Tasmania and elsewhere manage to squeeze in other parts of the curriculum apart from discussing people's sexual orientation (fun though that may be). Reading, for example. Or perhaps some maths as well.
Posted by DavidJS, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 9:14:12 AM
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David,I'm still trying to figure out who the "true believers" are? The Church does not believe in the death penalty for homosexuals, anymore than it believes in the death penalty for those who commit sins like lying, cheating, etc. You may consider that whimpy, that that's why we have free will, granted to us by God. We can accept or reject any theology presented.
I have full faith in Christ and follow the teachings of the Church because that is the doctrine of Christianity. Christ left the authority with the apostles who've continued to hand down that authority until today. There is a sense of peace when you accept Christ into your life. No one is forcing this upon anyone, but it's there for those who seek it.
I'm a born skeptic, however when you read the gospels, when you study church history, when you logically think about all of those people who saw the miracles, who saw the risen Christ, and who understand that Christ left His kingdom, the Church, for us, then it's a simple step to take.
One day we will all face some sort of suffering, tribulation, crisis in our life. That is the time when we draw closest to God. Those who retreat will find anxiety, fear and all sorts of other troubles in their life. Those who embrace this "cross" will find peace, strength, and tranquility. Pray for this in your life, and you will not be abandonded!
Posted by CatholicMomOf3, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 11:20:05 PM
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The church does not believe in the death penalty for homosexuals? So says you, CatholicMomO3. Obviously there are Christians who do believe in the death penalty for homosexuals. There are Muslims who also believe in killing gays in the name of God. So who is right?

This is problem with religion and with religious education. Absolutist and conflicting beliefs with have historically caused no end of misery. That is not to say this problem doesn't exist in the secular world. Mao Zedong holds the record for the biggest death toll caused by any dictator. But again the problem is an absolutist ideology.

An education system can only work if students are taught to think about things, question what they hear and read and present their own conclusions. Otherwise, we don't have an education system. We have indoctrination.
Posted by DavidJS, Thursday, 14 June 2007 7:41:57 AM
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David, please do not pin a denomination willing to promote the death penalty on homosexuals, WITH the Catholic CHurch. As I said, we do not believe in this and reject it.
You appear to oppose religion all together, which makes me wonder if you are an atheist? Or simply believe there is a God and that's as far in depth as you'd like to take your own beliefs?
As I stated in a prior post, I'm not sure how anyone can deny or dismiss the historical facts laid out in the New Testament. You have yet to really show any intellectual facts and/or arguments that counter what is presented in the Gospels. I suppose we all have the right to simply reject anything we want, however rejecting such beliefs doesn't make you right. Especially when you have absolutely nothing but your opinion to back it up. 2000 years from now there will be plenty of people out there promoting the belief that the holocaust never happend. In spite of all the documentation and first hand accounts that it did. I would suggest a thorough examination of church history and read the Gospels. If it were one person reporting on all of this, it might be a bit hard to swallow. However, knowing that so many people were eyewitnesses and then went on to die for Christ tells me a lot. How many people do you know who would put their own life on the line, and actually go to their death, for a lie? Yet many of the early Christians did. Look at how the Apostles died. Do you honestly think they would die a brutal death for a lie? I'm a born skeptic and a very logical person, and all of my skepticism and logic cannot begin to make me deny the Truth.
Posted by CatholicMomOf3, Thursday, 14 June 2007 8:09:11 AM
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It is one thing to believe in the existence of Jesus Christ. I hold that much to be true. It is another to believe that He rose from the dead. I do not. Nor do I believe that Moses parted the Red Sea (although Moses himself seems to have existed) and I also don't think humanity began with Adam and Eve. Yes, I am an atheist (a gay one as well). I am an atheist probably in the same way you (and I for that matter) disregard astrology or fortune telling. That is, I have seen no evidence for why I should believe in any god or adhere to a system of beliefs attached thereof.

I don't think it is useful to reject every event as fiction. The Holocaust certainly was real. However, documented genocides are in a different category to, say Noah's cruise around the world or Jonah's unusual accommodation.

Does that clear up where I am coming from, "Mom"?
Posted by DavidJS, Thursday, 14 June 2007 9:53:57 AM
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I suppose now is the time I'm "supposed" to throw rocks at you. It wont happen. It is our belief that you are every bit a child of God, as I am. So to cast stones at you, would mean casting stones at a child of God, and that just is not the essence of Christ.

I understand your skepticism, and I suppose we can go round and round. I would ask you, if you haven't already, to read the New Testament. I think there are far too many witnesses and too many miracles to reject.

I don't know too many human beings who would put their own life on the line to spread the Gospel. Yet that is exactly what many of the early Christians did. I'm not even sure I'd be that brave or committed to Christ if it meant a gruesome death. Yet many of them had the power of the Holy Spirit and the understanding that life isn't just about the time we spend on earth. That there was more to this life and they had eye witness proof to that.

The fact that they were willing to die a gruesome death, be imprisoned, tortured, etc. for what? Would they do this for a lie? It just doesn't make sense.

Then you have the story of Saul who persecuted and killed Christians and never was an apostle of Jesus. He is blinded in the desert and his conversion. I just can't see how anyone who truly wants the truth, can continue to dismiss this without good and factual evidence.

Well as I tell my children, no matter what we do in life, Christ is always there with His arms wide open ready and waiting for us to come back to Him when we go astray.
Posted by CatholicMomOf3, Monday, 18 June 2007 10:01:58 PM
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