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By Shakira Hussein, published 1/6/2007Hirsi Ali's statements that Islam allows violence against women do not help her cause.
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Posted by Irfan, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 8:05:39 PM
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'Gees, Benjy, settle down. You're beginning to sound more explosive than a suicide bomber.'
Ha-dee-ha-ha. I'm glad that I don't personally know of anyone who has been killed by a terrorist. Irfan, you would have to be the Piers Ackerman of ONO. What a goose. Posted by TR, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:50:52 PM
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Another kafir's tale.
See: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9984934 You can also hear Marina Nemat being interviewed being interviewed by Phillip Adams. http://www.abc.net.au/rn/latenightlive/stories/2007/1943268.htm Of course this has nothing to do with Islam. It's merely a "cultural practice" in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Funny how these "cultural practices" always seem to involve death and mutilation. I've made a bet with my husband about how the usual gang of Islamic spin doctors and apologists will respond. Posted by Stephany, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:02:21 PM
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Hi Irfan
You read enough of Janet's article in the Australian to draw out two critical letters from Dutch readers, but it is strange that you did not notice that the vast majority of letters praised Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and were totally in support of her stand against a misogynist, retrograde, 7th century, dismal and tyrannical religion, namely Islam. Trying to denigrate and discredit her for some relatively minor flaws does not invalidate the main thrust of her message. Why don't you get it, Irfan? You are trying to defend the indefensible. You would waste a lot less time if you put your considerable skills to persuading and dragging your fellow Muslims by the scruff of their necks into the 21st century. It's happening anyway, Irfan, so just get with the programme. Sooner or later, either the easy way or the hard way, Islam will be transformed into something relatively acceptable, and best of all, private: i.e. not a political system in the guise of a religion. Posted by Froggie, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:07:57 PM
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You're comments about Hirsi's willingness to overthrow the Turkish government is, like all people who think like you do, ignorant (deliberately so) of context. Yes Erdogan's Islamist government may be democratically elected, so was Hitler's. When a government talks of implementing aspects of Sharia law, that makes non-Muslims fearful of the past. There are many who know of Islam's supremacist code Irfan, of the status of minorities within it. The concept of dhimmitude has been well explored, but it is Islamic holy texts which reveal best how savage the treatment of non-Muslims is themselves.
This is why you're arguments can never be won. It is Islamic values, Islamic traditions, Islamic beliefs themselves, that doom Islam. They condemn Islam among the enlightened, for things like Apostacy, which are tenets of mainstream Islam (as seen in Britain with Salmam Rushdie, as well as the treatment of Muslims who leave Islam - 3000 police reports in U.K in 2005 alone of Muslims who had been beaten, stabbed, threatened with death, because they became Christians). You'll have to do better than that Irfan. Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 7 June 2007 12:01:26 PM
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It's also funny how Irfan mentions she lied on her application form. Given that leftists (you're not one, you can't be if follow Islam) tell us to ignore that, they were desperate, would say anything to get here, it's a weak argument.
Hirsi Ali's comments prove she's right. She has bodyguards 24hrs per day because Muslims resort to violence when one criticises their religion. This is what Irfan need to focus on, not telling us we've got it wrong. Not only don't you need to worry about that anyway Irfan (the Hilali's speak with condfidence, as they know we westerners are civilised and won't kill them for their words. It's churches attacked, not mosques, after overseas terrorist attacks mate, Anglo shopkeepers run out of Bankstown and Auburn, Aussies bashed and pack raped - the police had to protect the girls families at court, not the perpetrators...now THAT says EVERYTHING.) You are in the way,tribal mentality is holding it back. Get out of the way if you aren't going to criticise Islam, for now that the ENLIGHTENED WEST has shone a torch on your backward values, we can all sit back and laugh as it collapses in on itself. Give women power and Islam will be gone in one generation... You know the WEST is superior, that is why you're here! How dare you want to shut her up because she speaks truth, because you don't want to hear that you're values are inferior. You worship a paedophile for crying out loud. A murderer, intolerant assassin who slaughtered Jews. No folks, that ain't hate speech, that comes from ISLAMIC HOLY TEXTS, this is what Muslims say themselves. No wonder Islam is so violent. Look at what they follow. An example to show you the difference. Christ on his death bed forgave those who killed him, Mohammed ordered the genocide of non-Muslims in Arabia, which is why they don't allow Christianity there. Irfan hold onto their values because too racist to follow enlightened western ones because the ppl who came up with them had diff colour skin. Posted by Benjamin, Thursday, 7 June 2007 12:18:09 PM
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I think it's really amazing that the people who never seem to praise Hirsi Ali are the Dutch. Whether from Left or Right, not a single Dutch person (apart from Andrew Bolt and Janet Albrechtsen) have anything nice to say.
Even on Janet Albrechtsen's blog today, the 2 persons of Dutch background who made comments were stinging in their criticism of Hirsi Ali.
I've just finished listening to the unedited version of the interview I did with her yesterday. She actually said that she supported military intervention in Turkey to overrule a democratically elected conservative government. She would rather have martial law than democracy. What sort of enlightenment is this?
However, one thing I do agree with her is her views on abortion. I hate to disappoint all the lunar-Right Christian fanatics here, but Hirsi Ali is pro-Choice.