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By Shakira Hussein, published 1/6/2007

Hirsi Ali's statements that Islam allows violence against women do not help her cause.

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'Female genital mutilation' is cultural and not religious. But it is done in the name of Islam.
Ditto the burkka and the hijab.
'Islam is a religion of peace' Off the top of my head a list of nations where Moslems are killing non-muslems in the name of their religion- Indonesia,Thailand,Malaysia, The Phillipines,India, Pakistan, Iraq,Lebanon, Israel,England etc
Ditto,where Moslems are killing Moslems in the name of their religion- Indonesia, Pakistan,Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Gaza, Iran.
Give us all a break!
Posted by palimpsest, Friday, 1 June 2007 7:07:21 PM
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Let's face it, religion is rubbish and Islam is toxic rubbish.
Posted by Froggie, Friday, 1 June 2007 8:12:34 PM
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Shakira, with all the polish of your argument you cannot hide the fact that you are a purveyor of pharisaical sophistry. Islam that treats women as second class citizens in comparison to men, and uses them as objects of sexual gratification and procreating machines, which Hirsi Ali so courageously and fearlessly exposes, is a religion for those who live in mental caves.

Moreover, trying to be too clever by half, by using the title of her book Infidel as the title of your article whose ruse is to cover your belief that YOU also consider her to be an infidel, you expose yourself as a complete fool. With all your pretensions of being a modern educated liberated Muslim woman, your cowardly attack upon her, impugning her integrity of telling lies so she could enter the Netherlands and escape an arranged marriage that she didn't want, proves you to be not a free Muslim woman, but bondaged to the rusty chains of bigoted Islam.

Does this violence against women whom Islam does not accept as being equal to men, and your polished "violence" against the person of Ali Hirsi, who in your moderate Muslim eyes she is an infidel, help the cause of Islam or your cause as a professional "moderate" Muslim fighting the misogynists in your ranks?

See:Australian Political Chronicle-http://ausiechronicle.blogspot.com

Your response to Ali is the response of the cowardly to the brave.
Posted by Themistocles, Friday, 1 June 2007 8:54:51 PM
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To Shakira ,
‘I will never forget reporting my fear of a male Muslim relative to the British police and being told: "We prefer you people to sort these things out among yourselves." This was not misguided multiculturalism, it was old-fashioned sexism and racism.’

No Shakira I disagree, it was not racism or sexism – it was the fruits of multiculturalism. Regrettably, almost every time the police need to take action against members of one or other of the chosen multicultural groups they get accused by some spokesperson of racism and then have to contend with an anti-police bureaucracy who just love to find fault.

They hesitated for the same reason that after the Cronulla riot they declined to stop motor vehicles driven by members of certain sensitive ethnic groups or went soft on investigating crimes allegedly committed by the same groups.

To Infran
What a show!
You pull all the taboos you can from your hat in an attempt to besmirch Hirsi Ali.
-The far right
-Holocaust deniers
-Anti-Semitism
-Pro-abortion
While all the while trying to keep a straight face & feign objectivity
Posted by Horus, Friday, 1 June 2007 11:32:56 PM
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Horus, are you denying that Theo Van Gogh described Jews being burned in gas chambers as being akin to the cooking of caramel? Are you suggesting that Hirsi Ali has openly distanced herself from Van Gogh's anti-Semitism? Do you regard Van Gogh's description of women as beings "who think with their c#nts" as acceptable discourse?

Far-Right lunatics support people like Van Gogh and Hirsi Ali, holding them up as scions of human rights. Still, this is the same far-Right who 60 years ago were saying the same things about Jews and Judaism. Not much has changed.
Posted by Irfan, Friday, 1 June 2007 11:40:39 PM
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Infran
1) You seem to saying that Hirsi Ali was sullied by her (fleeting) associations. At one stage she made movie with Van Gogh or perhaps had coffee with him so therefore she carries his philosophical legacy like an unborn child.
But I thought you were arguing that Muslims were not all guilty because some of their associates murdered,raped & tortured …?
[ Ah! maybe its one of those principles that can be taken up or discarded whenever it suits -what is the special theological term for that ?]

2) I seriously doubt you experience too many pangs about the injustices suffered by the Jews.I suggest the Jewish argument is merely something you employ to sustain your mask of objectivity.
Reading between your lines, you seem stoically indifferent to the worldwide injustices suffered by minorities in Islamic communities.

3) In a pluralistic society it is not for me to dictate what is expectable . And it is certainly not open for some fanatic with a knife to dispense what they perceive as justice/revenge .
Posted by Horus, Saturday, 2 June 2007 12:43:55 AM
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