Welcome to OLO goodthief. I wouldn't worry too much about coach's rants - if you read back through his prolific contributions to the forum you'll find that he's every bit as silly as Hilali, albeit from a Christian perspective.

The sheer preposterousness of his call to ban Islam is an indication of his credibility.

Well if we cannot ban the Quran and many of it's vile teachings,we cannot ban facism,nazism,paedophilia,ethnic cleansing or those who want to partipicate in total anarchy.

Muslims have failed to confront most of their serious shortcomings and it does mean social conflict of enormous proportions for future generations.Just study what has happened in Malaysia.If you are not Muslim there,you are a second class citizen and have no rights.

The West is confronting a conflict of basic tenants with Islam and Islam will win if we continue to treat their demands as being equal to ours.What is the price is freedom?Perhaps we should ask the ANZACs.

I don't think banning Islam is an option in a secular, multicultural setting. Nor would it do any good: whatever practical steps were taken to bring about the ban would be inflammatory and cause even more trouble than we've seen. For example, the Muslim hotheads and imperialists(X%) would get right into it, and the moderate Muslims (100-X%) would shift towards the heat. What I'm struggling with is getting a handle on just how dangerous Muslims are in Australia (eg the value of X). The various conflicting posts I've read today all seem to contain some truth. Anyway, that's why I'm going to concentrate on getting informed: I don't want to get killed or to live under Sharia Law or even to be a soft fool, but I don't want to become a hater either.

'I'm not aware of anything Hilaly saying causing a riot of the same proportion as Cronulla in December 2005. That doesn't justify anything he says. It just means that those who condemn Hilaly should be consistent and condemn Jones as well.'

Irfan, the difference between Alan Jones and the Sheik is that Alan Jones doesn't claim to represent Allah (swt). Neither does Alan Jones claim to be a spiritual leader or religious example to the ummah.

By drawing a comparison between Alan Jones and a leader of the Islamic faith you belittle your faith by claiming that its standards are on a par with commercial radio and its Shock-Jocks.

In short, we have a right to expect higher standards from our religious leaders because anything less than proper behaviour is blatant hypocracy and an insult to the God they serve.

Lets face reality, the words of a Sheik carry far more weight than any radio announcer. For example, when the 'Danish Cartoon' crisis exploded due to some ill timed comments by the Islamic alama we had riots on a global scale which ended with a number of corpses.

Rabbis, Popes and Sheiks should learn to hold their tongue - they are more than mere public announcers.

Irfan: “I’m not aware of Hilali saying anything causing a riot of the same proportion as Cronulla”

No; but it was the teachings of men like Hilali who made the muslim men who continuously went down to the Cronulla beach and groped the women because they weren’t wearing sheets think that that was okay. When the lifeguards asked them to stop they were belted up.

Hilali is scared silly that if ever muslim women take off the sheet and stop having so many children to send to the muslim schools he will no longer be able to continue his parasitic living off the fees paid by the parents to a particular muslim school. That is what his attack on Western values and their women is all about, His own self interest.

What would he do if the black sheet failed to protect his daughter? Send her to prison for being raped as he recently stated. Nuns throughout the world wearing the same black robes have been raped many times. How come the meat that was covered suffered the same fate?.

Does incest which occurs all over the world not occur in the muslim home? I doubt it. Not much protection from keeping the meat off the street there.

Coach:

Your quotes from the Quaran are actively inciting sedition. So is Hilali in his recent call for all muslims to actively support those who wage war on the West. It would seem the politicians dont have the intestional fortitude to inact the recent sedition laws they introduced

Peace at any cost is what the politicians want. Riots might sway voters against them in elections.