Ah the anti Labor forces mass no not mass enough supporters for their views do not exist to mass.
Australia will always be governed by the conservatives or Labor much ado about nothing from the greens or Democrats are evidence no new ideas party is about to step on stage.
However total power and that is what Howard had has been used as a crude weapon against Howard's battlers.
And in time the rather uninteresting insults against Labor here may re focus on why the wasted mandate?
And honesty demands those who insult Labor ask why the conservatives are so badly lost in a space not shared by most Australian voters?
After all you can not insult the sometimes shaky ALP state governments without asking why conservatives can not defeat them? or can you?

Well belly you keep going thats all you can do

Labors and Liberals time is coming to an end and when the people get the real picture about them then change will happen fast and you well denial about the atrosities against the australian people will always be yours and those that cannot see.
You just keep on going and be a servant to your master and choice is democracy and not party dictatorship like the liberals and labor.

www.tapp.org.au

Breaking Rural News : LIVESTOCK

Australia
Monday, 19 February 2007

Federal Oppositition leader, Kevin Rudd, will not ban live exports if elected, despite mounting pressure on the industry in the wake of more allegations of animal cruelty.

The live sheep industry has come into focus again after Animals Australia aired footage filmed in Egypt recently, showing Australian sheep on-sold into the local market for the Halal religious festival, then tied to roof racks and thrown into car boots.

Mr Rudd says he does not abide animal cruelty, but he wouldn't be banning live exports.

"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.

Dame Edna might have hit the nail on the head when saying. I just cant imagine a PM named Kevin.

I have difficulty myself after contacting Rudds Office last year regarding the direct link of AWB to live Animal Exports.
You understand you say . Do you Really Mr Rudd?

GOLD COAST BULLETIN

LIVE EXPORT TRADE INQUIRY WOULD BE LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER

THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed­eral Labor politicians struggling to galv­anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.

The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.

Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.

Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.

The Gold Coast-based Halal Kind Meats is off to the backblocks of Queensland and West­ern Australia to look for Australian slaughter­ing opportunities. Dozens of Australian abatt­oirs have closed since the live export trade boomed in the 1990s. Kindness to animals is part of the Australian 'fair go' tradition.

Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 10:46:56 AM

People who vote the party never get the man. Those who vote the man only get the party. So it is, so it will always be. Unless you vote for a local independent. Then you get the man but no party for persuasion.
Our system of government isn't about accomplishing anything. It's about ensuring the other guy doesn't accomplish anything so your party's chances increase in the next election.
On American PBS they were talking about their Presidential elections and how they have a window in the first 6 months to make a difference before each decision is decided by media polls, and if reelected for a second term a 6 month window at the end of that term for legacy decisions. Seven out of that eight years in office is basically mandated by media and popular poll.
I thought, my God. That's almost exactly what happens here. We don't vote or elect a leader. We may vote but we really hang about until a decision is made, any and all, and then start a whinging campaign in the press to stifle direction and leadership. We call ourselves democratic but really we're anti democratic.

Tapp yes I continue to focus on reality, the desperate need to question the conservatives anti voter path.
For your benefit and people against every thing, sorry is it farmers?
I again focus on how elections are run.
Any party has only the weight of the number who vote for it, from Federation we have had many who tried to enter the ring but few who made it.
From radical left to lost right of right every minority wants to grow, none so far have gone more than 1 round .
Some have broken limbs getting under the rope before the first bell.
This serves Australia well, now and again a senate seat gos to such as Australia first and far too much power ends in the hands of some one who has very little support.
Factions within major party's have enough room for most Australian voters views.
Is it not true conservatives are in need of a real debate about the miss use of the mandate?
And since you hate the ALP why is it so hard to remove them?
Could the gap between conservatives and voters be widening?

I have `often` said people who wont post in their real names are cowards.
The other real concern is the breaking of forum rules.
I think PF you will find Tapp is not against farmers anymore than we are.
What Tapp is saying is jobs for Australians first.
The fact of the matter is farmers unfortunalty over the years have never asked the right questions.
They generally are simply people with grass roots values and the salt of the earth.
Others - Such as The Trade Ministers and greedy middle men know this and play on it.
It only stands to reason if you dont watch your back in this dog eat dog world others will take advantage.
The murkey world with its trade dollar tricks pay offs such as AWB are the norm
Farmers have a good chance to save themselves but that they MUST start to make a few changes.
Oh and By the way we are three generation farmers and Dad was a bullock team driver.
Rudds got a chance if he looks at some policys.
Hes going to have to because their Agriculture Adviser Burnie and Minister Gavern have sat on their hands instead of JUMPING on the AFIC proposal
Thats a real pity for Rudd and labour.
Kevin Rudd when shadow Minister invited us to meet with him last year. I will now go see if he is smart enough to look at the AFIC proposal.
Lets see if he cant see the sense in AFICs proposal.
Simmone is now Shadow Minister For Trade so I will make an appointment to see him as well because I actually beleive THAT guy has a brain.
In the mean time here is the only Support Free Range Farmers Group In Australia we are doing so I dont know where you got the idea we are against farmers from.
Tapp This might interest you>
http://www.freerangefarmers.com/freerange/
Oh and Tapp I saw you on the other post. Do not be confused Animals Australia do NOT support this proposal to put more jobs in Australia by opening new abattoirs.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/