Woohoo... looks like I may be the first post.

Emma, your article is a great piece of propoganda, but it is a little short on analysis (not that I can blame you, since you are a member of the ALP). Kevin Rudd is the great white hope for the ALP, not because of what he stands for, but simply because he might be able to deliver victory for the ALP. I think that says it all. Politics is all about style over substance. The 'reinvention' of the ALP is merely a euphemism for adopting right-wing policies but softening them around the edges so that you can appeal to a slightly broader demographic. In reality, it is populism dressed up as policy.

Look at where it's got NSW in the last 12 years. If the ALP gets in at the next election, expect a slow degradation of services and infrastructure, an increase in unemployment, inflation and debt, and pandering to special interest groups who are vocal in the media. Political parties never change their spots, no matter how many 'reinventions' they go through.

The author states "It’s to Rudd’s credit that he and his new look Labor team have refused to fight fire with fire by engaging in similar grubby and personal attacks on their opponents."

Whilst I'd prefer Rudd over Howard, this is really being a little disingenuous.

When the AWB affair was being debated, Rudd was at the forefront of the offensive, and he did bring the debate into personal territory. While I've no doubt ALP figures would defend this as an exercise aimed at defending against corruption, at times, Rudd did go a little too far.

In recent days we've heard of Howard's lunching with a porn king, and there has been plenty of mud slung back at the coalition camp. Rudd can't be totally disconnected from this.

In my eyes, Rudd is the better option, but he's certainly not the man you describe - he gets into the grubby bits of politics. He has to.

Interesting the media never presses Rudd on his faith. Tony Abbott could justly feel singled out. The Howard haters would not care who it was leading Labour. They were happy to endorse Mr Latham (not very long ago). The ABC/SBS are in a frenzy that finally they see a chance of unseating their anti Christ. It will be fantastic viewing if they fail again.

Congratulations Gecko.

It’s hard to know just yet if Rudd will lead the ALP to victory but his track record would cast him as an embodied paradox rather than our saviour. Just think of SE Queensland. As the population grew in that section of Queensland it might have dawned on ‘forward thinking people’ that more drinking water might be needed. Rudd was instrumental in killing off the Wolfdene Dam. The policy that replaced the dam was a rain dance performed daily by Goss, Palaszczuk and Rudd. That’s hardly a sound policy to meet the needs of an ever increasing population.

Great white hope? More like great white dope.

Isnt it about time people stopped using the vacious phrase "Howard-haters" to describe those who quite rightly dont like either John Howard and his government?
In my opinion it says more about those who actually use the phrase and their tendency to reduce everything to black and white binary exclusions.
Perhaps they are the real haters?
Why not call all those on the "right" who seek to denigrate Kevin Rudd the "Rudd haters"?

I think the author hopes for too much - while Rudd is a chance to win it is any ones guess whether he will drag us out of our "antiquated" - political thinking.

Rudd cleverly enough has not said all that much - he has thrown the vision word in every now and then but can any one tell me precisly what his plans are? - crickets chirriping in the distance I hear.

Like most governments that have been in for a while they slowly implode or cave in on themselves - Rudd looks good mainly because the g'ubment looks bad - looking back the sins of the conservatives eventually gnaw away at the electorate and they get pissed - even if the economy os going gangbusters

The ALP has yet to put any meat on its policy framework - maybe when they do we can make some guesses as to where Rudd m ight take us

so all the rather bizarre and quaint commentary that appears here is a bit premature - the tired references to Howard Haters and all the bs about pandering to special interest groups -

I'm definately one of those people who the author suggested it throughly disheartened by the ridiculous antics of Howard, Costello and Abbott. Parliamentry question time consists not of reasonable question/debate, but rather it's become a grab for the grubby spotlight amongst a couple of Howard's attack dogs, usually Costello and Abbott but with various other smaller front bench mongrels adding their high pitched yelps to the cacophony, while John Howard sits back enjoying the performance and grinning like the villiage idiot. All Rudd has to do to take out the next election is to remain calm and composed. The support of the Australian people will naturally follow.

And runner, I must say, I believe this religious nonsense has been done to death. Rudd has stated he's a Christian and that should be the end of the matter. Being a Christian is not about evengalism and bible thumping. It's about being pious and of not being "self seeking," something Tony Abbott cannot claim to be, otherwise he wouldn't be spruking his particularly dirty form of politics.

What we need in politics is to get as far away as possible from the dogma of religious sin shifters and back to a more balanced way of Government whereby that Government and it's members are entitled to express their religion as they see fit, or not have to declare their religion at all.

And who knows? Everyone's painting the up coming election as a race between Labor and the Coalition, but whilst our eyes are distracted by howling newspaper headlines (owned & run by Howard supporters) the other parties are keeping strangely quiet.

This article has too many clichés. On the one side we have 'the old guard', 'out-moded assault', 'an anachronism', 'un-reconstructed Old Labor', 'yesterday's man', 'Old Labor' (again), 'old guard' (again), 'the antiquated thinking that has dominated our public life for far too long' and 'this tired government'. On the other side we have 'new look Labor team', 'the new progressive politics', 'ideas for the future', 'the new battle lines of 21st century politics', 'New Labor', 'reinventing British politics' and 'Australia's future'.

Britain's New Labour is a pale imitation of the Conservatives, the direction that The Australian newspaper wishes our Labor Party to take by copying the Liberals' IR policies.

Being new, innovative and fresh is not enough. The Labor Party will win with specific promises such as undoing the IR laws, re-investing in education, indexing the tax-free threshold to movements in the minimum wage. It has to have a vision that is believable, not a lot of feel-good platitudes from Focus Group Central. Neophilia will not succeed.

I sincerely hope that if Labor wins the next election that it wont be comprimised by as Arnold Schwarzenegger described them "Girlie Men".

Call me a cynic or whatever, I'd like to see both the Liberal and Labor parties dissolved, and for all political parties to be in minor positions in parliment.

I like your sentiments Emma. Seems to me a lot of these boy politicians are variations on a theme. As if we needed it but hasn't the Burke business been an interesting insight into Howard's character or lack of it.
What an immature and spiritually bereft country this is. Nothing learn't and nothing gained, 82 Sri Lankan Tamils off to Naru, dispatched by that very Christian gentleman, Kevin Andrews, in a complete Kow Tow to the souless Howard.
Bruce Haigh

This process of lauding Labor leaders as great white male messiahs has been done to death. To date Mr Rudd appears a very conservative Labor politician. He may not seem close to the unions, but his statements, and the policies being announced are hardly new or different from the past.

The one policy that had the potential to be novel might have been Labor's pronouncement of an "education revolution". The title said one thing but the content was far from revolutionary, in fact it was more tired old back to basics education, that seems typically the thinking of Labor in government in Queensland.

The only revolution that would have any meaning whatsoever is the democratising of all schools and legislating the human rights of Australians so that all people in Australia, might, over time, enjoy the freedoms, rights, responsibilities, respect and justice that ought to be implicit in open, civil, democratic societies.

So far, I see nothing in what Mr Rudd has to offer that encourages me to believe there is anything new that Labor has to offer. Worse, the model of governing and communication being demonstrated by Rudd and his people replicates what has been happening in Queensland for the last decade. Communication is one way, from the ALP. Already one communication from me has not been answered. I've seen this happen often in the past. What doesn't suit Labor, its style of government and its often hidden social engineering agenda isn't permissible - just like a 19th century teacher in a classroom, holding and wielding all the power over powerless children.

Labor is all about having and using the power of government towards its own ends, to control the people, engage in social engineering but not for the benefit of or in the interests or the needs of individuals in the community.

Only when I hear that Labor will acknowledge that individuals can and will be supported in making informed choices in every aspect of their lives and take responsibility for the consequences of their choices, that I might be persuaded there may be something new on offer.

Someone once said that a gentleman is a patient wolf; Rudd, I think, is a patient Latham. Like Latham he seems to have concocted a background which should make him acceptable to traditional labor voters. Funnily enough I keep meeting people in Brisbane who were bystanders to some of these background events, and while nothing is a total fabrication the Ruddstory is told as though seen through a very peculiar prism.

Added to this it also seems that no-one who was in the Queensland public service during his reign has a kind word to say for him. Shades of Latham's council days.

As in the Latham days, we are being presented with a one-man-band labor party. When some of the more rabid lefties are eventually allowed to speak middle Australia is very likely to shy away. Every time Pinoccia (she of the nose) pontificates on industrial issues the rest of us take two steps backwards very quickly.

Hi Emma,

Good article, although for the average voter, Rudd appears to me to be the 'opposite of Howard' ie direct to the point, open to new ideas, etc..

But on the 'alternate vision' to Australia, I honestly can't see the differnce or can't even see a full vision. Liberals seem to be on a 'make it as you go' vision and labour's vision is not clear or well defined.

All I can see for now both are dwelling on a couple of issues (ie interest rates, Iraq, etc..) taking credit for whatever goes well and blaming each other for whatever is going wrong.

Where is Tim Fisher?

Peace,

As much as I am excited about the new Big Kev I would have to dispute that off-loading Burke and Grill is the end of "old Labor".

Factional fiefdoms are alive and well in the ALP. Bugger ideology though it is all about sharing the spoils amongst the middle class saviours of the working classes - the teachers, social workers and university educated union officials who run Labor on behalf of the toling masses.

Kevin Rudd looks like a good prospect to trap the Rat but let's not get carried away with all this "new Labor" rubbish.

I guess the next thing will be that Kevin has changed the "light on the hill" to a compact fluorescent!

Like many people here I'm curious about Rudd's policies. He's clearly got Howard worried and the media are obsessed with him, both positive and negative, but so far I only see a reaction against Howard, rather than a clear preference for Rudd.

Was it Hugh Mackay who said oppositions don't win, but rather governments lose?

Hopefully we'll get more info about policy with the ALP conference. The theatrical drama going on lately has been highly entertaining and some people will vote on that basis, as though government is no different to Big Brother. I want to know what Rudd plans to do with Workchoices, healthcare, our dying infrastructure, superannuation and our slipping international reputation on human rights.

Or will he turn out to be another Howard - accidentally forget to tell us about his plans for wages and conditions until after the election?

Kevin Rudd is on the road to the lodge, an old Labor battle song its time may just be on tune for this election.
Its time the lies stopped
Its time to end divisive government
Its time for accountable government.
Todays further resignation from cabinet again highlights that about one in three who should have done so have fell on swords very much tainted during Howard's reign.
ALP policy's can never drift far away from those shared by most who vote if victory is to come, Rudd never will depart the middle path.
After his victory we will see he becomes both a good leader and a trusted one.
We also will see a debate Begin that should be in full flow now why have the conservatives so badly wasted the massive mandate?
And what do they face? new direction and leadership or new party?
Why use the mandate as a war weapon on some Australians?
Are all conservatives happy with workchoices?

What are you talking about belly ALP's policy do they have any
Like i have said before went searching for their Veterans affairs policy and all i found under Veterans Affairs Policy was a speech.

Now for real policy check out The Australian Peoples Party at

www.tapp.org.au

and while you are there check the news section.

A dull article, written by a Laborite whose dejection over Howard’s reign has suddenly turned around since Rudd has scored well in a few opinion polls. It is true though that Howard is on his back foot, rather reminiscent of Fraser in 1982(or was it 81?) with his “you’d better put your savings under your bed”, when Hawke pushed out Hayden.

However, Rudd has scarcely said a thing. To that extent he is smarter than Beasley and Latham, who both said too many silly things. If Rudd really had a passion and good ideas for Australia’s future, why doesn’t he tell them? OK the recent news item about funding local car makers to produce electric vehicles is good in principle, but GM and Ford are US companies, so it is really throwing money down the drain. GM (USA) already has an electric car in the pipeline anyway.

On another note, Rudd’s fluency in mandarin increases the likelihood he will move Australia closer to China. A difference between Howard and Rudd is highlighted by last week's security treaty with Japan. Labor didn’t support the pact, yet Japan is still our biggest trading partner; it is a democracy and the 2nd biggest economy in the world. China is an authoritarian regime that represses free speech and supports crackpot countries like North Korea. They increased military spending 18% last year (what for?), and irresponsibly blew up a satellite in space, resulting in a whole lot of space junk spinning round the earth that will one day fall down.

Reading between the Rudd media hype and the “time for a change” dumb clucks, I see little leadership or ideas from either side of politics that will benefit Australia’s future. The problem is that most politicians are lawyers, who have little understanding of business or science and engineering.

"The Australian People's Party" policies on immigration and citizenship are suspiciously similar to those of the now defunct One Nation party. By similar, I mean almost word for word.

Compare:

http://www.tapp.org.au/immigration/Immigration%20%20Policy.doc

and

http://www.australianpolitics.com/parties/onenation/immigration-policy-98.shtml

Another person stealing Pauline's policies. Tsk, tsk.

Tapp will poll far less than one nation ever did, the debate is too important to waste on forever minute party's.
Given yet another beheading will the conservatives have the leadership debate now or after the train wreck?
Will they debate the dreadful policy's now or in the ruble?
Such debate will take place only the timing is unsure, you would think it is well under way behind closed doors.
Kevin Rudd is helped by 72 mistakes? can we not start the debate openly now?

Another person stealing Pauline's policies. Tsk, tsk.
Posted by Oligarch, Friday, 16 March 2007 11:21:51 PM

Tsk Tsk

I didnt invent the wheel If i see something that i like i will use.
At least i have the guts for it not like you wingers.

You will also find that it isnt word for word.
I have made changes to suit so do i have a problem with one nation NO
When it comes to religion YES

But there is something i can say
These are real policies

WHERE ARE LABORS
WHERE ARE LIBERALS

So you dont like the immigration policy is this due to a complete halt not that of zero balance but nil,zero immigration until such time when factors change for the people.

Rudd is captive of the same 'power brokers' who selected Latham Beazley, Keating and Hawke. Everyone overlooks the fact at that dinner with Burke were all the WA Union heavyweights. The same men (Exclusively men) who dominate the pre-selections of labor candidates and dare I say it...Labor leaders.

Burke isn't representative of those men but he was able to get them along to a dinner with Young Kevvy.

At the time someone in the media asked Rudd who was at that dinner. He replied along with Burke were WA business leaders. It was no coincidence he ommitted telling half the audience that night also comprised these union men.

With Young Kevvy we'll get these antiquated individuals, their antiquated ideas, their antiquated policy and their antiquated and inefficient methods.

If anyone thinks Young Kevvy is going to bring a new Australia they are going to be sadly disappointed. If he's elected he'll let a lot of people down, because they've been led to have too high expectations. We'll see election results similar to Whitlam's and Keating's rejections and that will lead to another 10-12 years of Liberal domination.

The most revealing indication of the power-brokers influence was Young Kevvy's position on an Iraqi withdrawal. Most people have the impression Young Kevvy is going to bring the troops out of Iraq immediately. Once the policy question is asked and the Labor Party position shown a lot of people who hold that expectation are going to be sadly disappointed. The mooted Labor position on this issue is one designed to appease all the Labor factions.

It's a long way to the next election and the electorate won't be sucked in by populism or mud-slinging. They'll look at policy and policy detail and Rudd's, like Latham's and Beazley's, lack of substance, will be exposed by the influence of the Labor power-brokers. He's owes them not Burke and they won't let him forget it. They're all hoping the public don't see that influence.

There is no new Labor, it is still the same old faces, the same old policies . And still..no working man. All academics, lawyers and old uni boys.
Kevin Rudd, according to some ,is saying very little. I quote from the West,"I see ahead of me, a huge mountain, it has got a lot of snow on top and a lot of jagged lips hanging out..it's a bit of a race to the top but I think we have just got to the base camp"
Opposition leader Kevin Rudd on the upcoming election campaign.
I think if that is a typical speech from Rudd ,better he says nothing. That sounds like some of the awful scripting from "The Bold and the Beautiful" or " The Young and the Restless"
The Labor Party just cannot realise they are talking to adults that is why they do such belly flops.

Gekko summed it up well in the very first comment.We have one articulate Rudd,but the rest are duds.Labor will probably get this year because of Liberal long incumbancy and ill planned IR reform.Then they'll spend the next two terms stuffing the economy just like NSW Labor and we'll vote the Liberals in again to fix it.

An ill informed electorate gives us poor performing pollies and bureaucrats.Will we ever learn?

Ah the anti Labor forces mass no not mass enough supporters for their views do not exist to mass.
Australia will always be governed by the conservatives or Labor much ado about nothing from the greens or Democrats are evidence no new ideas party is about to step on stage.
However total power and that is what Howard had has been used as a crude weapon against Howard's battlers.
And in time the rather uninteresting insults against Labor here may re focus on why the wasted mandate?
And honesty demands those who insult Labor ask why the conservatives are so badly lost in a space not shared by most Australian voters?
After all you can not insult the sometimes shaky ALP state governments without asking why conservatives can not defeat them? or can you?

Well belly you keep going thats all you can do

Labors and Liberals time is coming to an end and when the people get the real picture about them then change will happen fast and you well denial about the atrosities against the australian people will always be yours and those that cannot see.
You just keep on going and be a servant to your master and choice is democracy and not party dictatorship like the liberals and labor.

www.tapp.org.au

Breaking Rural News : LIVESTOCK

Australia
Monday, 19 February 2007

Federal Oppositition leader, Kevin Rudd, will not ban live exports if elected, despite mounting pressure on the industry in the wake of more allegations of animal cruelty.

The live sheep industry has come into focus again after Animals Australia aired footage filmed in Egypt recently, showing Australian sheep on-sold into the local market for the Halal religious festival, then tied to roof racks and thrown into car boots.

Mr Rudd says he does not abide animal cruelty, but he wouldn't be banning live exports.

"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.

Dame Edna might have hit the nail on the head when saying. I just cant imagine a PM named Kevin.

I have difficulty myself after contacting Rudds Office last year regarding the direct link of AWB to live Animal Exports.
You understand you say . Do you Really Mr Rudd?

GOLD COAST BULLETIN

LIVE EXPORT TRADE INQUIRY WOULD BE LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER

THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed­eral Labor politicians struggling to galv­anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.

The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.

Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.

Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.

The Gold Coast-based Halal Kind Meats is off to the backblocks of Queensland and West­ern Australia to look for Australian slaughter­ing opportunities. Dozens of Australian abatt­oirs have closed since the live export trade boomed in the 1990s. Kindness to animals is part of the Australian 'fair go' tradition.

Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 10:46:56 AM

People who vote the party never get the man. Those who vote the man only get the party. So it is, so it will always be. Unless you vote for a local independent. Then you get the man but no party for persuasion.
Our system of government isn't about accomplishing anything. It's about ensuring the other guy doesn't accomplish anything so your party's chances increase in the next election.
On American PBS they were talking about their Presidential elections and how they have a window in the first 6 months to make a difference before each decision is decided by media polls, and if reelected for a second term a 6 month window at the end of that term for legacy decisions. Seven out of that eight years in office is basically mandated by media and popular poll.
I thought, my God. That's almost exactly what happens here. We don't vote or elect a leader. We may vote but we really hang about until a decision is made, any and all, and then start a whinging campaign in the press to stifle direction and leadership. We call ourselves democratic but really we're anti democratic.

Tapp yes I continue to focus on reality, the desperate need to question the conservatives anti voter path.
For your benefit and people against every thing, sorry is it farmers?
I again focus on how elections are run.
Any party has only the weight of the number who vote for it, from Federation we have had many who tried to enter the ring but few who made it.
From radical left to lost right of right every minority wants to grow, none so far have gone more than 1 round .
Some have broken limbs getting under the rope before the first bell.
This serves Australia well, now and again a senate seat gos to such as Australia first and far too much power ends in the hands of some one who has very little support.
Factions within major party's have enough room for most Australian voters views.
Is it not true conservatives are in need of a real debate about the miss use of the mandate?
And since you hate the ALP why is it so hard to remove them?
Could the gap between conservatives and voters be widening?

I have `often` said people who wont post in their real names are cowards.
The other real concern is the breaking of forum rules.
I think PF you will find Tapp is not against farmers anymore than we are.
What Tapp is saying is jobs for Australians first.
The fact of the matter is farmers unfortunalty over the years have never asked the right questions.
They generally are simply people with grass roots values and the salt of the earth.
Others - Such as The Trade Ministers and greedy middle men know this and play on it.
It only stands to reason if you dont watch your back in this dog eat dog world others will take advantage.
The murkey world with its trade dollar tricks pay offs such as AWB are the norm
Farmers have a good chance to save themselves but that they MUST start to make a few changes.
Oh and By the way we are three generation farmers and Dad was a bullock team driver.
Rudds got a chance if he looks at some policys.
Hes going to have to because their Agriculture Adviser Burnie and Minister Gavern have sat on their hands instead of JUMPING on the AFIC proposal
Thats a real pity for Rudd and labour.
Kevin Rudd when shadow Minister invited us to meet with him last year. I will now go see if he is smart enough to look at the AFIC proposal.
Lets see if he cant see the sense in AFICs proposal.
Simmone is now Shadow Minister For Trade so I will make an appointment to see him as well because I actually beleive THAT guy has a brain.
In the mean time here is the only Support Free Range Farmers Group In Australia we are doing so I dont know where you got the idea we are against farmers from.
Tapp This might interest you>
http://www.freerangefarmers.com/freerange/
Oh and Tapp I saw you on the other post. Do not be confused Animals Australia do NOT support this proposal to put more jobs in Australia by opening new abattoirs.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
"I have `often` said people who wont post in their real names are cowards."
Out of interest and so I'm not mistaken would "& Intensive Farming" be your last name?

Some of the commentaries could be so right that if Rudd gets in it will be just economic rationalism with a new look. We must never forget that it was Hawke's flirting with Big Biz that first brought it in, with popular folksy and sport-minded small farmers deciding to quit, as even local bank managers agreed with the term - get big or get out.

Though the term rationalism alludes to justifiably sharing out, and compassionate commonsense we have been caught up with the big con' that economic rationalisn is simply an inclusive fable for liberty and freedom, which even Adam Smith, father of the free market gave warning that though Laizess faire is a great impetus for the growing state, the very fact it is based on greed similar to colonialism, all heads of our governments must ever be wary.

As philosophy is now regarded simply as a haven for fuit-cake thinkers and left-wing loonies, US academics and the religous right now well teamed up in a belief in an elitist non-compassionate Lord Almighty, one prays that our OLO might become the worldly means of overcoming greed and letting global commonsense get back on its feet again.

Certainly Labor now has the chance, but reckon if it does not believe in the above, it has lost the necessary - politicised intestinal fortitude.

Whoever gets in will exercise enough economic rationalism to keep the moneymakers happy. They, after all, are by far the biggest beneficiaries of the way the economy is being run.

None of this will matter for another 8 months, by which time all the commentary here will be long forgotten. In that time Howard will continue looking wrongfooted, Abbot & Co. will make fools of themselves, and provided Rudd keeps doing what he's doing, labour will oust our most divisive leader in decades.

Interesting to see how some jump to his defence. Howard's supporters look more and more like members of a personality cult; he can do no wrong etc. If there is any justice to be had he will be the first PM for generations ousted at the elections.

You's still dont get it

The money makers ,big business and pollies are not going to like The Australian Peoples Party

The pollies entitlements will be under the chop and supperanuation no more to 69% public funding for pollies

now that will be better used for the people.
These pollie entitlements have no value in the interests of the people but these pollies themselves.

Get the idea
Time to come on board or you can always have
LABOR
LIBERAL

www.tapp.org.au

The slur about not using names is a bit rich, my surname is Bell but that is another matter.
It since men first picked up a feather and wrote has been a excepted thing not to use your name in such forums.
It allows free speech and in the case of at least one poster has seen threats come from unhappy fools.
However may I again ask that we understand if Rudd is elected, it will be the will of the voters that sees this not anything else.
So many give great value to the thoughts they have and very little to others.
The debate has not yet begun but after next weekend conservatives must ask why the losses?
Why are the polls the worst ever faced by Howard?
Out of touch, out of ideas and out of office?
That name? thing can we take it your last name is as the above post says?
Or would people against everything suit?

It would be obvious that you are not talking to me belly but if you are also having ago at The Australian Peoples Party or tapp
then one should go to www.tapp.org.au

from here you would not only find my full name but my picture.

This party isnt against everything, it just seems that there is a lot of everything that has to be fixed but the pollies are right in our sights.

www.tapp.org.au

sooner all later the truth will win

Tapp reality just has to be involved in debate, your statement that Liberals and Labor are on the way out shows a total lack of understanding of Australian politics.
Other posters talk of power brokers? who evidently control both party's from behind the scenes.
Well yes! true, they are called voters and it will aways be them who say what direction our country heads in.
My constant concern is minority party's and every one large or small after defeat continue to blame the voters for not sharing the views they hold.
Is it not just possible some times that the voters get it right?
Now again names, I have no fear of putting my name forward but it is not needed, and may be counter productive.
I have been subjected to harsh insults because for ever and ever I oppose extremes of left and right, it is a phony claim made that you can not trust me because I like most here have no need to invite idiots into my home or life.
My belief that conservatives will debate the miss use of a massive mandate is sure to be proved soon and a split in Liberal ranks will begin after next Saturday confirms factions are more an enemy to state Liberals than Labor.

Good to see Mr Rudd agreeing to maintain the funding for private schooling. At least labour has learn't one thing in their 10 years in opposition.

bushbred.
At last someone with a brain who is able to put a few words together and tell it like it is.

Thanks

Agree with Gekko. All propaganda.

TRTL. No debate on AWB, just denials and scapegoats, too few of them though.

Sage, more great white dope please. Are you talking about cocaine by the way?

Agree fully Ho Hum. Sad isn't it?

Labor will win, mainly through Howard's greedy, vcious approach finally reaching it's end rather than anything else.

JamesH. My feelings exactly! Vote anyone but majors, please everyone!

Derek, the change offered is the end of Howard? What else could you ask for? Messiahs be damned. Get rid of Bonsai. Consign him to his lonely future.

Fellow Human, I assume you are an above average voter. I didn't know there were ratings in Democracy. Do enlighten us please.

For Oligarch and Belly. Having helped write those policies myself I can assure you they are not stolen at all. Note the word "helped", not dictated. Done with discussion and concessions.

Any further arguments, direct them at me you cowards. Sit on your backsides and squeal will be your choice. No action.

Where was One Nation wrong anyway? Good enough for both major parties to steal, yes? It reflects what Australians need and want, not what some faceless corporates tell Howard and Beattie to say. If you disagree here tell us please where Howard and Labor got their policies from. Silence wil reign here everyone.

TAPP doesn't really care about winning that many votes mate. The point is to change how people think. Look at this thread and see how many have done so or at last expressing those thoughts. Too many? Not yet but there will be, and soon. The power is shifting. Ask Tapp where he will direct the taxpayer funds if TAPP does get enough votes. Go on, ask. I know you haven't actually read anything on the website as it shows.

Tapp, leave poor old Belly alone. Bellyaches have to start somewhere. As do barrackers like Belly. Someone who believes everything one party expounds is a fool. That's Bellyache. I note Belly's typing deteriorate as Belly's temper frays. Although the ignorance shines through.

Billionaires Murdoch and Packer are promoting Rudd. That in itself speaks volumes. Do they do this for nothing, because it is a good idea - or in their economic and dominating rule?Isn't all the fraud, the lies and hypocrisy of parliament bound up with the rule and sway of the super rich? Don't they see Rudd as sly and trecherous enough to carry through the big attacks coming after the election? Such as the handing over of the electricity infrastructure to their mates. Along with further privatisation inroads into the remaining social structure. The essential services are going to be driven right into the ground (and keep the taxes) with the criminality in destroying 20,000 jobs. Isn't the promotion of Rudd another of the same treacherous scoundrels the media tycoons blow up and promote as statesmen going right back to the 1890's?

Mr Rudd Says>
"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.
"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.

Johncee1945 says
Billionaires Murdoch and Packer are promoting Rudd. That in itself speaks volumes. Isn't all the fraud, the lies and hypocrisy of parliament bound up with the rule and sway of the super rich? Don't they see Rudd as sly and trecherous enough to carry through the big attacks.

Mr Rudd Says
He will not ban live exports if elected, despite mounting pressure on the industry in the wake of more allegations of animal cruelty.

"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.

Packers and Murdocks have been Live Animal Exporters for years.
Sickening isnt it.
God what a legacy to leave your kids and grandkids, Such Shame.

Yes Mr Rudd we know you understand the boys club but where are the jobs for Australia and a bit of common decency towards Australian Animals that you have a duty of care towards. You know we cant have comtrol in other countires- thats the barbaric! treament of shipping them alive in the first place

No Wonder you headed for the hills Mr Rudd when you were Shadow Minister of Trade at the AWN enquiry into money to Hussaine.>

GOLD COAST BULLETIN

LIVE EXPORT TRADE INQUIRY WOULD BE LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER

THE RSPCA may have the answer for fed­eral Labor politicians struggling to galv­anise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.

Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.

Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice.

"We had a beef property. I understand these things," Mr Rudd said.

Mr Rudd as Shadow Minister last year you refused to disclose the truth to the public

I think that calls for your! resignation.

Ah Betty thanks! yes indeed thanks the personal insults and even miss directed ones give me heart, try as hard as you wish but not once will you find me questioning one nation stealing or Tapp ideas.
That quote exists only in your mind and another said Tapp had used or looked to have used them, not me.
Early and soon I must go a long day ahead working for the weekends election.
How may I ask yet again? can some think people who support party's other than theirs put no thought into why they do so?
How can you not see the active in fighting within every party that shapes and forms policy?
As conservatives insist on continuing to waste a mandate and miss use it dreadfully, as it becomes clear voters are turning to Labor the refusal to except it leads to personal insults a sure sign of lost will to debate.
Angry? can you find heat in my words? or reality? let the debate start it must start conservative Australia is in need of leadership and direction.

Belly. What debate? You have to have an open mind to actually debate and I see no evidence of that here. Opening here for you.

This statement of yours is bordering on the insane :

"How may I ask yet again? can some think people who support party's other than theirs put no thought into why they do so?".

Firstly, what does it mean, to you that is?

Secondly you appear to be claiming to think about why you vote the way you do.

In that regard, a challenge to you. Name 5 actual policies that Labor has. Just 5. Also name 5 Coalition policies that you understand. Third, name any alternative policies for those claimed by you as known or understood.

If you think I have insulted you then so be it. What I try to do is poke and prod, make people think and actually consider other options. Your view is Labor, Labor, Labor. Fair enough but do explain the States and their government's. What do you support about their operations?

For Belly
Yes like i said i did not create the wheel but from what i have used this party has created better policy so now is The Australian Peoples Party Policy.

Whether you like it or not.

So a union man or a labor card holder or just a servant.

Government is about the interests of the people and those that cannot see that are just being ignorant and party servants.

Have a look at NSW any policies anyone
Lets look at federal which this party is going for policies anyone, NO

So in all it is that labor and liberal play tit for tat holding the people to ransom for what their own agenda and nothing more.
This is where TAPP comes in now we have choice, i havnt seen any leader from any other party here willing to have a go on this site, too scared, too ignorant, have their own party to get in power, their party not the people.

So you all can have a good look and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out who is there for the people.
Some also has said we get what we pay for and this leads to greed and corruption, I have to disagree as it is the structure that these 2 majors have which leads to this and the contempt that they hold for the people.

Those that have passion and respect for the people are what this party has need of for candidates and that makes good governance.

And as Betty says bring it on and if you dont have the balls to say who you really are and just play hide the sausage then this shows the complete disrespect for the people.

Like i have said go to TAPP's website I am there plain as day so hiding giving you a load of cr#p/spin no not here.

We have policy , we enjoy getting feedback and comments which i reply to no some pa or someone else but me.

I am the bottom line.

www.tapp.org.au

Why do we allow a paradigm, which we don't believe in constrict or
paralyses our ability to consider a vision?

Has the cold hearted market purist's philosophy pervaded into all
political party's, some by intent others by stealth and creep?

Is fear of being branded financially irresponsible, because we dare
add the social benefits to communities and the nation to the ledger,
limiting 'Brand Labor'

It will be interesting to see how 'Brand Labor' and Mr. Rudd tackle
this issue as it is not easy to provide vision for a better society
with one eye blindfolded

Dear Mr Rudd

Could you please take a look at these pictures and let us know which animals are yours?

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/media/Live_Export_Update_14Feb07.pdf

Mr Rudd Ladies and Gentleman Of Australia recently made this comment.
'I had a beef property- I understand these things"

What I dont understand Mr Rudd is how after two Senate enquiries into animal welfare ruled an immediate BAN on this unnessary barbaric trade YOU or anydody! else could just ignore their directions.

"I had a beef property- I understand these things"

Labour Government at State Level have just as much responsibilty as Federal
Your asking to lead this country.
http://www.livexports.com/

"The Greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Vivisection is the blackest of all the black crimes that man is at present committing against God and His fair creation. If ill becomes us to invoke in our daily prayers the blessings of God, the Compassionate , if we in turn will not practice elementary compassion towards our fellow creatures"
-Mahatma Gandhi

Shame On you Mr Rudd
Support share farms and abattoirs with overseas partners.
Its called A policy.