"Desparate"? "Consistant"? What the *#**@??

Hi all
Been away for a bit, and have only just caught up. I'll summarize my thought on the recent posts; Dickie I'm with you on everything, LL too. PALE, it must be some time since your correspondence from Mark Vaile because he has not been Minister for Trade since John Anderson quit, Warren Truss (God knows why) got elevated far far beyond his level of incompetence and Vaile got Transport.
Yabby, I agree with Dickie,I cannot begin to imagine what contribution you could ever have made to animal welfare, nor Country Gal either for that matter. Your naivete is just mindblowing when you use the terminology "objective vets" and live exports in the same sentence; these people have a commercial interest in the trade and often are vets who can't get jobs doing anything else. It's like describing Cameron Morse (Editor of Countryman) as an impartial/objective journalist. Get over it.
I'm at a loss as to how pesticides and chemicals found their way to this thread, or dogs chasing rabbits, for that matter. Human nature and minds wandering, I guess. I'm not actually into latte or chamomile tea, either really, and my dogs, although they live on the outskirts of a city, do not get dragged around the block on chains (they don't kill rabbits either. That might because I feed them properly though, Country Gal).
Farmers and animal welfare are basically oxymorons. There is NO difference between the pain or fear a dog or cat feels, or that of a sheep or a cow - it's just that you people can get away with brutalizing sheep and cattle (and pigs and chickens) with "surgery" without anaesthesia, and other egregious cruelty for which you would be prosecuted if it were a companion animnal. Again, get over your claims of caring.
Nicky.

Sorry - for the benefit of Yabby and Country Gal, and possibly Perseus, "oxymoron" means a fundamental contradiction in terms. Saves you looking it up.
Nicky

Nicky.
Yes we are aware of what Mark Vaile `is doing now` and that Warren Truss has been put in the job.

Actually it us who had to convince Glenyse several years ago that it wasnt Truss they she be aiming at but Mark Vaile.

She disputed it over the phone.
I got so sick of it I got It in Writing From the Queen> the Prince and the Gov See>>
http://www.livexports.com/queen.html
http://www.livexports.com/prince.html
http://www.livexports.com/letter3.html

Finally we got it through that [at that time ]Truss was only Minister for Agriculture but Vaile and Downer were Ministers for trade. That Trade! drived the live animal ships along "the deals" that spun off the backs of the animals. Deal for Deals. The cruel Live Animal Export Trade is so tired up with deals off deals the Government are the only ones to start to unravel it.

I dont change names all the time because I feel its more important for the public to learn the basics.

“Why can’t organisations concerned about cruelty to animals cooperate more closely together in Australia? In particular, why won’t Animals Australia work with us?


In 2003 PALE made a submission to the Senate along with Australian Federation of Islamic Councils which would have increased the carcass trade at the expense of live shipments. Animals Australia refused to support it, even though they claim to support the carcass trade.

Then last year some animal rights organisations knew about the breakdown of a ship in Australian waters carrying live animals. Even though the animals were suffering because of lack of power to drive airconditioning etc. They kept the information from us. We found out and gave the story to a journalist.

In an effort to get closer to them, I joined AA. They subsequently cancelled my membership.”

Mind you it was something somebody Else said.
It was asking 'Why' we were not contacted over a ship that was stuck in WA waters.

You see Antje being the wonderful lady she is had personally called Glenyse asking he to work together just days before.

This Forum as far as I am concerned is to educate the public.

When people read it I would like them to see less bickering and more facts regarding what can be done to change it for the animals.

I am not going to hide the fact that Animals Australia Lawyers have written and complained about PALE Nicky.Dont you find that odd Nicky?
They know! how hard we fight for Animals. Are you not just a little curious?

We tried for years to get everybody working together.
Lets face it Nicky take you for example. We told you about the interest from the Prime Minister and the now Minister for agriculture towards the co joint venture and requesting us to provide more detail.

Sure its not much but at least its something. Its something towards maybe getting them to start to re think some sort of new policy.

We asked you if we could pay you five thousand to help us as you are very good with your writing pluss we are busy with farmers AFIC RSPCA QLD.

You showed little interest. We asked Animals Australia more times than Yabbys had girlfriends but no- not interested.

For God Sake even Andrew Bartlett who called the Senate Enquiry into Animal Welfare is standing back.

I think the only reason for that is he is afraid of upsetting the libbers and loosing votes.

So you tell me Nicky.

When are `you` going to actually help and come up with some ideas instead of just bagging Yabby Pale etc.?

How does that help Animals?

Animals Australia have done some great things Nicky and I am the first to say it, espeically since Lyn White Joined them.

However this is NOT a competition and we all need to work together and actually produce the alternatives.

The live Exporters sure as hell wont!

Lets stop talking and start doing by US opening more plants.

Start by Writing to your State Members who have each the power of Minister For Trade in each State of Australia.

You have talent- Use it please! for the Animals!

Nicky, I am well aware that you and Dickie are two of a kind. Both
know little about the difference between farm livestock and family
pets. Both seem to dislike farmers and both know zilch about
farming.

Perhaps you girls should buy a couple of sheep each and have a
go at housetraining them. You might learn the difference the
hard way :)

Females seem to dominate the animal libber groups. Compensating
for maternal hormomes perhaps?