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The extraordinarily cruel rendition of Australia animals to the Middle East : Comments

By Mirko Bagaric and Lyn White, published 14/3/2007

Live meat exports: in the end, no matter how the numbers are crunched, some things are beyond economic justification.

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Breaking Rural News : WOOL

Judge urges mediation with animal activists
By MARIUS CUMING, national wool writer - Australia
Thursday, 29 March 2007

The judge presiding over the woolgrowers versus animal activists PETA and Animal Liberation case in the Federal Court, has strongly recommended mediation between the parties.
Justice Rares has warned of the potential for skyrocketing costs as the case finally heads towards a trial date in February next year.

“We won’t ignore mediation, particularly when the judge recommends it so strongly but we have an obligation to pursue this case and stop PETA’s illegal behaviour," Australian Wool Innovation deputy CEO, Les Targ, responded.

"We essentially want an injunction against the activists unfairly harassing retailers about Australian wool.”

Until now, no formal mediation talks between the legal teams has been flagged.

So far, the legal bill associated with the court case has reached several million dollars.

Meanwhile, PETA is suggesting the 101 woolgrower co-applicants named in the case may have to stand and be cross examined in the witness box.

Justice Rares, this week, ruled that growers would not have to individually give evidence of their personal financial loss due to the actions of the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and Animal Liberation.

If called, lawyers for both AWI and the activists would cross examine growers about their loss of reputation and their animal welfare practices in a trial that is now expected to take six months and cost many millions of dollars.

But AWI have rejected the allegation outright, saying the tactic is yet another ploy to intimidate woolgrowers.

SOURCE: National wool news in Rural Press weekly agricultural papers, updated daily on FarmOnline.

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=41467


Noted NO assitance from MLA to promote any share farms, plants in Australia. Noted the refusual of Austrade to do their job.
In a letter written to PALE the the Minister for Trade Mr Vaile stated his juties were to promote "new business ventures" and assist Australians to comunicate overeseas leaning towards value adding For Australia.?
Read This Ministers of Cruelty. These people might also to donate to political parties
http://www.halakindmeats.com
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Friday, 30 March 2007 8:06:47 AM
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CountryGal, I think I know where farmers are getting it
wrong. Now lets take a customer like Dickie, with her
obsession about phostoxin. Now you and I know that if
we sold Dickie her muesli and she had nothing but
weevil dust in there, she would not be a happy girl
either, despite her claims.

So easily fixed, niche marketing! We can supply
oats for Dickie's muesli, free from all phostoxin
treatments, with extra calcium, which will help with
osteoperoris etc, as she gets older.

That will cost an extra 100$ a tonne of course, which
is about 5c for 500g, so neither here nor there.
But 100$ a tonne makes a huge difference to the poor
old farmer, trying to make a living.

So its time for PHOSTOXIN FREE MUESLI ! At a small
cost of course :) Thats got to be a win-win.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 1 April 2007 9:59:56 PM
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Yabby

Very Funny.

Not everybody knows about everything. Dickie has made some good comments on several posts.

Lyn White has actually travelled to ME and not years ago either. So do others- regually.

The AFIC Islamic council have also come out in support of Lyn and Animals Australia by putting out a press R.

They stated there is NO reason why animals cant be slaughtered here! Halal in Australia.

They asked the Government and the media to "be responsiple" when claiming the "real reasons" for live animasl exports.
AFIC went so far as to lodge a sub to the Animal Welfare enquiry inviting everybody to work with them in finding alternative methods.

Did they get any takers> No. Did Senator Andrew Bartlett for example who opended the enquiry show the slightest interest> No.
Did Animals Australia> No.

Has the FF and pasture people you suggested in WA got back No.
Am I surprised No.
FFs are run basically by the old Nationals. The Nationals have decieved the Aussie farmers selling our jobs and flooding the country with cheap imports.
Its also interesting that not one of you wanted to know more about the minerals we export by the tons to ME that is greening golf courses and providing water.!!
Yes I said water. Oh but of course we dont have the plant in Australia to convert it from mineral to water--- Jolly! Gee Wiz.

No Intead we will just let all the stock die.
How clever is that.
Yabby I know you are not a live exporter. I knew that long ago because you simply believe !the crap put out by those involved.

You dont want to hear from anybody else not even the Muslims that buy Halal.
You much prefer just posting to PF and ignoring the facts.

Yup live exports are making up the pay packets of some people.
Nope it isnt! exceptable.

I have received a few phone calls since mentioning the councils inviting Elders to visit.
Brion happy to talk to the chair Directer of Elders anytime.

You dont have to "not mention" your identidy.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 2 April 2007 7:45:46 AM
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PALE - How right you are when you state: "Not everybody knows about everything." Of course our sage, Yabby Dabby Do would dispute your claim since he views himself as the fount of wisdom - God's gift to man and beast!

Incredibly, he really believes I would eat his contaminated toxic muesli muck. That indeed would be a short-cut to developing "osteoperosis" (sic), wouldn't you agree?

Happily, my limited knowledge does include an awareness of how the Yabby Dabby Do's contaminate our food sources in their pursuit of profits.

Luckily, they can no longer get their hands on 2,4-D Amicide 50. Mmmm....wonder how many defenceless beasts and humans they bumped off when they threw this toxin around with relish but quickly tittle-tattled to the "regulators" when those "loony luddites" objected to being poisoned.

But......then again, the Yabby Dabby Do's are gifted with such a fount of knowledge - the all-seeing, all-knowing, revered gurus of our food bowl. One must expect some collateral damage in pursuit of maximum profits, mustn't one?
Posted by dickie, Monday, 2 April 2007 12:03:28 PM
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Dickie.

Your a dag - but a nice one. Yabbs loves to get you going of course but he has actually also contributed in his own way. He is telling it like it is for farmers that he knows as neighbours and friends which is also helpful. On top you have another real! farmer who also posts.

Then we have some of the wonderful work done by Lyn White and Animals Australia.

Of course we PALE are coming in on again another angel which is working with Australian Muslim Leaders and RSPCA QLD.

We cant do it without everybody working together Dickie.

With respect to Animals Australia neither can they.

Getting of foot with farmers is not the way to improve animal welfare- trust me.

Dickie I would like to share a letter from Minister Mcgauran John
Howard and Mark Vaile re the alternative to live Animals exports in brief.

[" Your proposal is interesting, in principle. I understand that you have been asked by both my office and the offfice of Hon Mark vaile MP, deputyPrime Minister and Minister of Trade, to provide further details of your proposal so that it can be fully considered.
I would encourage you to work towards this goal.etc etc.]

Ok Dickie its not a free kick for a goal however 'if" We provide a sensible business plan it is the only alternative put up to Government.
Doing a biz plan that may be adopted "as policy for Government" is something we DO need assistance with.

For the life of me I get so frustred that Animals Australia Vioceless refuse! to work towards this with us.

I have in the past invited them all to attend meetings with AFIC our lawyers RSPCA QLD only to be shuned.

You tell me then is this is the ONLY alternative on the table and we have Muslim Leaders of Australia strongly supporting it- Why they refuse?
I am sure you dont know Dickie
Nor I. Nor I
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 2 April 2007 1:21:37 PM
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Pale - thank you for those flattering words. You say Yabby Dabs has contributed to the welfare of our hapless farm animals in "his own way". What do you mean by that?

Did he co-sign your letter to Ministers McGauran and Vaille and our Prime Minister? Has he officially objected to the cruel treatment of live exports?

Has he lobbied governments for economic solutions whereby animals and farmers may both prosper?

Has he objected officially to the heinous intensive farming of pigs?

Why does he support the barbaric surgery performed on cattle?

And why is he constantly posting in his endeavours to ridicule those who (with no vested interests) find the immoral farming treatment and live exports of our Australian animals, unacceptable?

I am disappointed that you have alluded several times to some dissension within animal welfare groups. I trust these glitches can be resolved since dissent amongst ourselves will be viewed gleefully by the Yabby Dabby Do's who are desperate to see us exterminated in their quest to maintain the disgraceful status quo.
Posted by dickie, Monday, 2 April 2007 2:14:47 PM
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