"Luckily, they can no longer get their hands on 2,4-D Amicide 50"

Given how badly informed you are Dickie, its pretty easy to be
a fount of knowledge :) Amicide 50 is freely available. Some
restrictions were placed on Ester 80, because of spray drift.
WA farmers protested, because that might be an issue in
the ES, with lots of piddly sized farmers dotted everwhere,
but in WA its not an issue. So Ester 80 is available under permit.

Those who want herbicide free crops grown are free to buy them,
as long as they pay double the price for the grain. Handweeding
broadacre crops is not an option, given labour costs. Mind you,
I know a few so called organic farms who have a hard time coping
without something like Roundup, as their farms become overrun
with various noxious weeds.

So they cultivate their soils more, which then causes them to
wash and blow away :(

Australia uses far less farm chemicals then say the US or
Europe. Mind you, its housewives who are doing the demanding that
more are used. Watch them sort through the fruit and veggies
at Coles, fruit with any tiny blemish is left behind as
rejected. So buyers insist on ever more blemish free product,
which means more chemicals of course.

Given that our average life expectancy is longer then ever
before, I think that you have your knickers in a twist about
not much. We are all going to die Dickie, including you, so
get used to it :)

Dickie-

Wasnt flattering, just truthful. This isnt your best work.
I posted the `only` alternative to live exports pointing out it needs everybody to get behind it.

Your words of wisdom to groups should be shared with Animals Australia.
The five page spread in the Australian about the RSPCA kind of left the public in no doubt at the disunity of groups Dickie.

This disharmony has been around for over twenty years "well before we came along."

I called Glenys Oogjes several times years ago personally.

When I called to let her know we had decided to open PALE in conjunction with RSPCA QLD it was anything BUT friendly.

She said [ quote]"well if you want to know anything you will have to go through me because Andrew Bartlett will "only" work with "me."!

4. I replied that was fine- "wanting unity".[Even though we are in QLD and Andrews a QLD Senator and they in Melbourne.!]

Its hard to believe that we are meant to take people seriously when they have knocked back attending meetings with our lawyers Malaysian Government Deligates, AFIC and others.

As for Yabby - Actually he has written to different papers and others in regards to opening more plants in WA.

He however is a little naive and too trusting. He like most Australians and sadly farmers believes what he reads.

Farmers Federations SHOULD be delighted about the co joint ventures and the oportunities for their members. However they dont want to know about it.
There is too much vetted interests and conflicts of interests in the live animal trade starting with the media!
Yabby is yet to fully understand "that" and the "connection" with his journalists who travel on the "occasional" ship.

Yabby at least exchanges posts with us which is far more than live exporters would do.
Look at the AVA to Stop Live Exports its THEIR job.
Rally out the front of AVA if your all serious and some of the media gaints who have conflicts of interests.
Allow the PUBLIC and members of groups to speak instead of just Animal group leaders!

Ah....yes, Yabby Dabby. Perhaps I drifted off for a wee while, omitting to investigate the PGA's influence against the ban on 2,4-D where this powerful group categorically objected to the ban on this chemical when your Mr Slade Brockman stated that regulators were "more obsessed with the Precautionary Principle" and the WA Farmers Federation described the ban as "draconian".

It matters not that regulators were concerned that exposure to this chemical has the potential to cause human birth defects, non-hodgkins lymphona, soft tissue sarcoma, carcinogenicity in animals and other chronic effects.

And of course many of us remember the blitzing of Yarram where 3,000 paralysed cattle were shot and buried and the subsequent cover-ups after the Lands Department sprayed with 2,4-D Amicide 50 .

Perhaps you would like to debate the science of 2,4-D which contains the lethal biocumulative, transboundary chemicals dioxins and furans. The Stockholm Convention on the "dirty dozen" chemicals for global banning included these dioxins/furans where eminent participants agreed that these must be eliminated or drastically reduced.

And of course, the consumers of your products continue to ingest dioxins and furans through the food chain. Ah......it matters not to the Yabby Dabbys though. No point in lobbying for safer chemicals - it costs too much! That was the reason the PGA objected to the ban!

Seemingly, with farmers' insistence on using chlorine based chemicals, it matters not also that rural women in Australia have a higher rate of breast cancer. And all that "fresh" air too.

But of course Yabby, with your obssession about death, you constantly remind posters that : "we all have to die sometime so get used to it".

Dickie.

Although your off topic `by your own request` take it from us-

Your fanstic!

If you are not running something then you should! be.

Thats what I mean about you your real and you have the guts to go for it!
Here`s the Dickie we have all grown to respect. Thats the good work I refered to.

Anytime you would consider running a PALE group in conjunction with RSPCA QLD just let us know.

We would pay most of your costs.

I am not `going to even try` to debate this issue with youself and Yabby because you are well over my head.

The only thing I would add is Saffron was used by old farmers to reder animals kindly to sleep instead of 1080 but thats off topic again.

Dickie please consider meeting our overseas investors looking into joint farms and abattoirs in Australia and FREE RANGE FARMS

We would assist

It would involve meeting and greeting Muslim delegates at air ports.

You would attend a meeting with Muslim Leaders of Australia and State Government officers after arranging to these delegates to meet farmers and abattoir owners.

Once a deal is signed- you receive a donation by way of a small percentage and "you" get to say where these funds go- providing of course its used towards animal welfare.

I sincerly encourage you to work with RSPCA QLD AFIC and us to introduce a good alternative to live exports.

We also encourage Free Range Farms in the same manner.


You are a leader but I dont think you know it.

Dont wait for Animals Australia to give you consent to do something you know you can do or anybody else. Your leadership material Dickie.

Also be HAPPY to assist setting up the Dickie Animal Welfare foundation of Australia-

Thank you for all your posts over the months regarding Animal Welfare In Australia Dickie

Signed by-
President of People Against live Animal Exports and Intensive Farming in conjunction with RSPCA QLD and AFIC- Australian Federation Of Islamic Councils

Dickie, the way you are going, you are goint to die of worry :)

24D has been used around the world for 60 years, yet people
are living longer then ever. Of course the PGA and FF stood
up for farmers, that is their role!

Any chemical if misused, can be dangerous. Drink enough coffee
or salt, they will kill you. The principle is the point.

For people like you, who are worryworts, pay extra and you can
buy whatever you want. Grain can be grown free of herbicides,
it just costs twice as much. So user pays, fair enough.

Meantime around the world enough health authorities arn't
concerned like you are, 24d is used all over the place.

I have no obsession with death, but an acceptance of death,
its going to happen, so why worry about it. Better off to just
enjoy the journey, here and now. I also have no intentions
of turning 95, mentally deranged, with my arse being wiped
by some poor worker in a home. Much better a good old heart attack
well before that :)

Yabby Dabby Do. You have little comprehension of the research being performed by eminent health experts around the world on biocumulative chemicals.

Collusion amongst influential farm lobbying groups, regulators and governments purely for economic gain is well known and your lack of integrity is clearly apparent in these posts.

Your ignorant commentary leads me to suggest that you really should put a sock in it.

Do you ever perform any farm work between blathering on issues of which you know little?