Yvonne,

I was born Rotterdam (The Netherlands) and grew up with the teaching that you do not discriminate on race, colour or religion. Since moving to Australia (1971) this has remained to be the platform, not just to me but also for my children and grandchildren.

Remarkably, my former son-in-law a retired minister (religion) sought to bible bash me once and I made clear not to try to sell me something I wasn't interested in. Had no further contact with him and I later discovered that my (step) daughter had divorced him, and for reasons that did not appears to be very Christian like.

We should tolerate people of all religions provided they are not trying to shove it down our throat, as the moment they do it is not that we are discriminating to their religion but we are opposing their inappropriate conduct.

With the Sheik, albeit I am not a supporter of him, I do believe that the man is more to warn about the dangers around of women walking basically naked in the streets.

I for one do not appreciate to see women on television to display themselves in their undies as once they are, so to say, over the hill then the same will complaint that they were used as sex objects. So, while the money is good they do not mind but when their time is over then somehow they are the once complaining about it.

To me the beauty of a person is within the person, not just how the person looks in the flesh.
When my sister-in-law some 30 odd years as a young woman was involved in a car accident and part of her face was scarred, my brother-in-law didn’t love her any less and their marriage endured because she was a beautiful person from within and the outside merely was the wrapping.
We should appreciate any person for their inner beauty rather then to have their flesh on display. The program “UGLY BETTY” is a refreshing look at that beauty lies within.

Hi TRTL,

Thank you for reading my posts so thoroughly, it's a real honour. Although of course you didn't really understand what I wrote. For instance you interpreted my mention of the $ as profit when it actually means just a sustainable income. See the difference? Money doesn't have to equate to profit but it seems it does for you. Sad. A symptom of a false idol me thinks.

Nor did I complain about having a post removed. I stated it as a fact, thus removing it also from the category of paranoia. You see paranoia is where fear is held for something which is not real. Dictionary time old boy.

You also seem stuck on left and right wing. Those terms do date you terribly. They don't actually exist anymore except in the minds of those reminiscing of the "good old days". Of course some do choose those labels for themselves but they might also use other terms no longer relevant today. The real terms today are either followers of major parties or not. IE Barrackers or non barrackers. I am of the latter variety.

For Robert, censorship is where the editors of a site remove what someone has written. Full stop. Having put up I asume you will now shut up as you asked me to do.

West, I couldn't agree more. All religions are simply Neanderthal beliefs.

Back to TRTL. Good of you to point out where all these referred to people come from. At last, knowledge shared. Of course they are from the Middle east my good TRTL, that's where the Crusades have been fought and are still being so. Unfortunately Islam has chosen to take this war worldwide.

And at last you get my point. The written word can be taken in any way a reader wishes to. My faux acceptance of Irfan's statement re Jesus etc is exactly what he has done and is going on about. The written word is a weapon.

BETTY .."hunni" :) I like your style mate... more more.. I don't know if we are going to agree on some issues, but I sure know one thing, OLO will be more alive with your sharp little barbs and prods and pokes...
Keep it up.

On the subject of 'Right and Left'..yes.. agreed.. they do rather date people. I get regularly slotted into the 'Right, White Christian who wants everyone to be like me' category.
At least here, we don't get black eyes (as I have right now) from our 'intellectual' head butts, (mine was a real albeit accidental one) so we are pretty safe.

Hilali is about as 'misconstrued' as Arafat was when he spoke to Arabic audiences. They knew exactly what he was saying but it wasn't the same message he delivered to English news coverage.
cheers.

yvonne Christian zionism is one term for Pentecostalism. Pentecostals learnt as far back as the 1970's that changing names will mask past trangressions when attracting new cult converts.

I personally have witnessed the degredation of a fully functioning human being to a superstitious red neck with a course of a few years of joining a pentecostal church.

The woman once an equalitist and very egalitarian now believes a womans place is to serve her husband , even though she works and is a school teacher she now believes girls have no need of high school. She now believes women with short hair are lesbians and lesbians are possessed by satan. She also believes satan tracks us all via a commitee in Luxenburg by reviewing scanned bar codes. She believes climate change is a Darwinist conspiracy and anti-littering laws are unjust because the rapture will happen at particular shifting dates and god will smite the planet anyway. She believes all divorces are the womans fault and they deserve punishment but she prays for the release murderers serving life sentences which she equates as a demonstration of her righteousness. All on the authority of her pastors and 'life counsellors'. She did in the early stage doubt the existence of god as her disability had not been cured as was promised by the church (apparently due to her lack of faith )and through 'special counselling' make a complete personality change where the above attitudes and beliefs materialised.

She is a member of a very popular church so you are right in your trepidation of the so called "Christian zionists " ( an oxymoron no doubt blasphemous to zionists) one can only imagine what the fringe lunacy of the fringe lunacy would entail.

Boaz,

One last attempt:

Fear founds hate and hate lays the ground work to violence.
My point is: what you think of Islam is none of my business but twisting and manipulating knowledge to promote fear is the problem.

The likes of Islamist fundi clerics use the very same techniques: The likes of Hilali or abu Bakr Basheer liken the west and Christianity to the crusades. Promoting fear, hate and violence becomes a normal result.

By acting like them you are being no different and hence my view that you are part of the problem. As much as I believe Islamist clerics should be held to account if a naïve follower falls into their traps, I believe your fellow mob should be held to account as well. Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, atheism are all here to stay and no religion replaced the other or ever will. All we can do is to learn to live together and promote harmony.
Please act responsibly.

Hope the penny dropped,

Peace,

T

Betty: I note you have still yet to come up with any posts to justify your views. What is it of Irfan's that you disagree with so thoroughly?
You say he is misreporting the situation - if so, then back it up with something - that is the point I have been hammering all along.

Regarding censorship - you can now cry that you've been neutral and fact-based after the fact, but that doesn't change the fact that you stated "Like other posts here I have no doubt you will remove this one. Censorship is a necessary evil in the world of free speech isn't it Graham?"

Facetious or otherwise, this is still complaining. I've said it before and I'll say it again - posts here are removed when they become abusive, defamatory or attack the author on a tangent.
This post was neither, but you assumed that it would be removed - on this, I'll make an assumption - you thought that because the moderators disagreed with you it would be removed - and yet again, you don't have anything to back this up.

Left right, centre. Mostly irrelevant. I agree. This is a tangent, but I was expressing the fact that there are posts here from all points of view. The post name I use is an expression of their unimportance.

I'll cede paranoia may not have been the right term, but it wasn't all that far off.

The reason for my posts here, and focusing on yours has been simple: A muslim moderate has spoken out, and he was hounded for doing so. Some of the criticism has been fair and constructive. Some of it has not.

Cont'd.