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No excuses : Comments

By Harry Throssell, published 21/2/2007

Australian Indigenous life expectancy is among the world's poorest.

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FrankGol,

I don't see the contradiction. If you check my posts you'll find my argument has been consistent:

a) Aboriginals know what healthy food is but decide not to eat it
b) there are free medical facilities available to Aboriginals
c) Aboriginals need to take responsibility for themselves

Hence, don't just blame white people for indigenous health issues.

It's also no contradiction to say Aboriginals are not stupid but make poor decisions. We all do.

The same applies for your quip about my solution. I said all along these problems are complex and difficult to solve. You're the one who called this 'meaningless rhetoric', not me.
Posted by eet, Saturday, 24 February 2007 9:43:07 PM
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Eet

At least this time you have refrained from personal attack to focus on the argument. Thank you.

You say your argument has been consistent. You summarise it as having three parts.

'a) Aboriginals know what healthy food is but decide not to eat it.' Do you have a theory on why they decide that? Or any explanation other than the circular 'lifestyle choice'? And other than 'Aboriginals are not stupid but make poor decisions. We all do'? 'We' make mistakes but 'we' live much longer.

'b) there are free medical facilities available to Aboriginals.' You went further than that - you made the big call: 'Aboriginals are the most prodded, tested and over serviced segment of the population in the country.' Do you stand by that claim, and if so, could you provide the hard evidence?

Then you catalogue the rampant diseases and medical conditions that they suffer from and which we all deeply regret. So with what you characterise as abundant medical services, Indigenous people die at a much earlier age than non-Indigenous people. What's your explanation? We can probably discount as cheap hyperbole your 'numerous stories about panadol in the middle of the night'. Have you got a proper explanation of this discrepant death rate?

'c) Aboriginals need to take responsibility for themselves'. But you clearly think they don't do so now. Can you explain why they don't?
Posted by FrankGol, Sunday, 25 February 2007 12:07:00 AM
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Rainier,
I do not know of any "aboriginal problem". I know that the aborigines have a serious "white problem".
Posted by vivy, Sunday, 25 February 2007 5:23:26 AM
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Vivy

Wouldn't you say since we are a multicultural nation of diversity, that the Aborigines have a multicultural problem?
Posted by Suebdootwo, Sunday, 25 February 2007 2:30:23 PM
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vivy, "Aboriginal problem" meaning the predominantly 'white discourse' that arises everytime i read the newspapers where very few Aboriginal people actually get to engage/ critique their perspectives.(albiet Noel Pearson) . get it?
Posted by Rainier, Sunday, 25 February 2007 4:48:14 PM
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Suebdootwo, if white people are so stridently monoculture (which the often claim here) then the problem is with them. But then they'll joyously celebrate their so called multicultural 'society' - Sorry you can't have it both ways.

What is it with this cultural Schitsophenia?

And do you want to see how multicultural Indigenous Australians are?

Take a look here: http://www.didgeridoos.net.au/Buttons/abo-australia-map-large.gif
Posted by Rainier, Sunday, 25 February 2007 4:58:13 PM
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