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Disappearing islands : Comments

By Mark Hayes, published 16/2/2007

Tuvaluans are coping each day with global warming's effects, and their beloved homes may ultimately be doomed.

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Put some perspective into the argument,
One way would be to study the Islands history; after all, it has a genesis.
Secondly the same argument could be said in the case for N Z, one day you could be standing up to your knees in water , but now you are looking across a rock terrain with the water line 200 meters in front of you.

NZ is being pushed up, so in any given tectonic plate principle a gap will appear somewhere else that will sink.

Case and E.g.;
The Gulf of Santorin; 1783, it has sunk by 1200 feet. Not the Ice Melting.
Port of Sindree Indus. 1819,
Volcanic Eruption Vesuvius 1737.

Greenland; Islands appearing after earth quake; disappearing back to the depths in 4 days. Not magic.

Here is a quote:
The Gulf of Santorin, in the Grecian Archipelago, has been for two thousand years a scene of active volcanic operations. Pliny informs us that in the year 186 B.C. the island of "Old Kaimeni," or the Sacred Isle, was lifted up from the sea; and in A.D. 19 the island of "Thia" (the Divine) made its appearance. In A.D. 1573 another island was created, called "the small sunburnt island." In 1848 a volcanic convulsion of three months' duration created a great shoal; an earthquake destroyed many houses in Thera, and the sulphur and hydrogen issuing from the sea killed 50 persons and 1000 domestic animals. A recent examination of these islands shows that the whole mass of Santorin has sunk, since its projection from the sea, over 1200 feet.
T B C.
Posted by All-, Saturday, 17 February 2007 4:05:34 PM
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Fester,

Your reference to a document entitled "Evidence versus Nonesense ; The Scientific Method" is actually spot on. All it needs is the data and analysis to support the particular contention is being made.

Pity that the evidence for Tuvalu going under as a direct result of gullible warming alone, is not that strong.
Posted by bigmal, Saturday, 17 February 2007 4:35:28 PM
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Bigmal

I think that col rouge and others pointing out the association with population growth are on the money, but as this is the truth that dare not be spoken, what else is the media to do? The Solomon Islands are certainly a basket case with their 2.61% (2006 est) population growth rate,

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/bp.html

but I suspect that any sensible journo would feel safer dragging a wooden cross to the Kaaba than stating the bleeding obvious. Even the sceptical Baliunas and Soon didn't seem interested in stating the bleeding obvious.

www.tuvaluislands.com/news/archived/2002/2002-02-01.htm
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 17 February 2007 6:01:26 PM
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Cont Quote:
In 1783 Iceland was visited by convulsions more tremendous than any recorded in the modern annals of that country. About a month previous to the eruption on the main-land a submarine volcano burst forth in the sea, at a distance of thirty miles from the shore. It ejected so much pumice that the sea was covered with it for a distance of 150 miles, and ships were considerably impeded in their course. A new island was thrown up, consisting of high cliffs, which was claimed by his Danish Majesty, and named "Nyöe," or the New Island; but before a year had elapsed it sunk beneath the sea, leaving a reef of rocks thirty fathoms under water.
The earthquake of 1783 in Iceland destroyed 9000 people out of a population of 50,000; twenty villages were consumed by fire or inundated by water, and a mass of lava thrown out "greater than the entire bulk of Mont Blanc."

In 1831 a new island was born in the Mediterranean, near the coast of Sicily. It was called Graham's Island. It came up with an earthquake, and "a water-spout sixty feet high and eight hundred yards in circumference rising from the sea." In about a month the island was two hundred feet high and three miles in circumference; it soon, however, stink beneath the sea.
End of Quote;

There many hundreds of these events, and to state otherwise is silly and naive.

The one difference in our time is Communications; a dastardly deed thanks to Western Technology;
But at least when ever it hits the fan, aid can be sent, unlike in historical times, everyone just perished; and some still wallow in maintaining the Ignorance. Or upholding the guilt undeserved.
But when a corrupt discipline of a Monologist/ Paleontologist, becomes a Vocal point in all matters pertaining to Physics in all categories and can’t add up 1+1 and get a true answer; other than the art of science fiction.
Then Proletariat Lobotomized fits quite well as a description. And be no longer heard.
Posted by All-, Sunday, 18 February 2007 9:12:49 AM
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Bennie said, "tsk tsk, Ev. This is the thread today where you've put this. Do you have an opinion of your own for OLO?"

I placed those set of links here within ten minutes of posting them on the other thread actually, not on different days as you suggest. For over a year I've been posting on this OLO forum - and yes, what I post states or develops my opinions. And for the record, in over a year of posting that's the first time I've placed the same post on two different threads.

Maleko said: "As for the Canadian newspaper series, interesting, but sceptical readers should research that newspaper's editorial position on global warming generally. Arch-sceptics like Andrew Bolt and Christopher Pearson here should have their columns syndicated to that newspaper with no difficulties, except it's not a News Corp-owned outlet."

However the Canadian National Post says: "Lawrence Solomon, whose column appears every Wednesday in the Financial Post, is one of Canada's leading environmentalists. His book, The Conserver Solution (Doubleday), which popularized the Conserver Society concept in the late 1970s, became the manual for those interested in incorporating environmental factors into economic life. An advisor to President Carter's Task Force on the Global Environment (the Global 2000 Report) in the late 1970's, he has since been at the forefront of movements to reform foreign aid, stop nuclear power expansion and toll roads. Mr. Solomon is a founder and managing director of Energy Probe Research Foundation and the executive director of its Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute divisions. He has been a columnist for the Globe and Mail, a contributor to the Wall Street Journal, the editor and publisher of the award-winning The Next City magazine, and the author or co-author of several books."
Posted by Ev, Sunday, 18 February 2007 10:18:20 AM
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oh Ev, it should've read 'this is the second thread today where you've put this'. Given the flood of articles on this topic it'd be easy to carpetbomb the lot.

But I don't foresee the same joy arising from G.W. that you do. "If it was suddenly announced Germany will be an average of 5 degrees hotter every year from now on there would be celebrations in the streets.." Nosiree. I reckon there would be a lot of problems once the snow melts, the lakes flow during winter, and centuries of culture evaporates.
Posted by bennie, Sunday, 18 February 2007 10:54:44 AM
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