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Disappearing islands : Comments

By Mark Hayes, published 16/2/2007

Tuvaluans are coping each day with global warming's effects, and their beloved homes may ultimately be doomed.

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Okay there will be the loss of a place in which to practice Australia-New Zealandís Colonialism, but Mr Downerís petulance may wain with benefit to his heart. Some people will drown a number will suffer but we say who will come here and we have said no.
Groups of good character and empathetic concern will establish. Like the efforts against our migration policy so maybe children will accepted , on transit visas, though the Israeliís claim even children can be terrorists. Useful though a medal or two in the honours may be indicative to the people of Governemnt concern. More thought is needed particularly the electoral appeal, after all a Tongan child or any Pacific Islander is an appealing sight and the sympathy vote might be large. Care. No I mean not care, caution.
After all in this neo conservative world all must compete and have forward vision. The Pacific people should have made plans years ago not depend on the charity of others after all no one expects Governments to look after the broods of others.
If they sink think of the home effort needed. The real estate loss on the foreshores of Sydney harbour not to forget Melbourne, Yarra spillage. The Brisbane River large and more. No we have our own concerns. In the immediate an election no time to be committing many $ for out of Australia effort and we have already reduced our foreign aid in real terms, as we should. Canít worry about everyone.
Posted by untutored mind, Friday, 16 February 2007 9:03:59 AM
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Our good friend Andrew Bartlett has the answer to this problem. It might even be termed the "Bartlett Solution". Mr Bartlett, when offering solutions to assist our farmers, said that if our farmers became unsustainable we should abandon. Let's apply the "Bartlett Solution" to Tuvalu: if it is now unsustainable let's abandon it.
Posted by Sage, Friday, 16 February 2007 9:10:18 AM
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Perhaps the Tuvaluvans might gain some comfort from the opinions of the following experts:

About a week and a half ago, this excellent report was published by the Canadian newspaper National Post. It focuses on a number of highly distinguished scholars/experts who have made various strong disputes regarding the IPCC findings.

I will list them here with links to the respective parts of the report that discusses their disputes:

1. Edward Wegman, Ph.D. degree in mathematical statistics, University of Iowa. Has served as editor or associate editor of numerous prestigious journals and has published more than 160 papers and eight books.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0

2. Christopher Landsea doctor in atmospheric science from Colorado State University. Leading hurricane expert whose conclusions were ignored by the IPCC.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=ae9b984d-4a1c-45c0-af24-031a1380121a&k=0

3. Duncan Wingham PhD. in Physics, Bath and Leeds. He is a director of the NERC Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling and principal scientist of the European Space Agency CryoSat Satellite Mission.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=b228f4b0-a869-4f85-ba08-902b95c45dcf&k=0

4. Richard Lindzen PhD in applied mathematics, Harvard University. A professor of meteorology in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a member of the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate. He is also a consultant to the Global Modeling and Simulation Group at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is author or coauthor of over 200 scholarly papers and books.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=63ab844f-8c55-4059-9ad8-89de085af353&k=0

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Posted by Ev, Friday, 16 February 2007 1:07:57 PM
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5. Henrik Svensmark is director of the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at the Danish Space Research Institute (DSRI). Previously, Dr. Svensmark was head of the sunclimate group at DSRI. He has held post doctoral positions in physics at University California Berkeley, Nordic Institute of Theoretical Physics, and the Niels Bohr Institute. In 1997, Dr Svensmark received the Knud Hojgaard Anniversary Research Prize and in 2001 the Energy-E2 Research Prize.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=fee9a01f-3627-4b01-9222-bf60aa332f1f&k=0

6. Nigel Weiss, professor emeritus of mathematical astrophysics in the University of Cambridge. Recipient of a Royal Society Citation, he is a past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a past Chairman of Cambridge's School of Physical Sciences.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=17fad0e2-6f6b-41f3-bdd8-8e9eeb015777&k=0

7. Prof. Henk Tennekes
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9bc9a7c6-2729-4d07-9629-807f1dee479f&k=0

8. Habibullo Abdussamatov,physicist and a mathematician, head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academies of Sciences' Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometry project, a long-term joint scientific research project of the Russian and Ukranian space agencies.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

9. Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shariv -
"Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media. In fact, there is much more than meets the eye."
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=069cb5b2-7d81-4a8e-825d-56e0f112aeb5&k=0
Posted by Ev, Friday, 16 February 2007 1:08:38 PM
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nice sceptic cut and paste job EV. and from such broad sources - all from the one website, and from the section called 'the deniers series' - all the same old fiddling with the fringe arguments, bamboozling figures (that might convince someone lazy without a science degree) and non-peer reviewed junk science.
i think the final quote of part x sums it up perfectly when he pins his hopes on about fusion reactors - a technology as yet non existent, seemingly only 'decades away' (theyve been saying that for decades) if ever.

your post didnt actually contribute anything to the text of the article,
thanks for trying
Posted by julatron, Friday, 16 February 2007 3:02:25 PM
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julatron;
Don't be so sure of your self;
What makes you think that it is decades away?

And why would you not accept that all the proliferation of Proletariat lies and deception and as well as your attempted reverse inference as to counter an argument be seen other than a boiled up hack job of Dialectis.

It has been well known for our time; 150 years of the Cycle of Cosmology and Astrophysics. It has also been know for many thousands of years via Civilizations that predate ours.

Until that Useless Idiot Ideology is crushed , it well may be in the Interest of Earth to keep such Knowledge away from the Looter / Witch doctor axiom for obvious reasons.

You do not want to know other than what you wish to fantasize about; (Thus Fanatics)
Perhaps a new definition of your science is needed if reality and fact does not suffice.

And OOO yes, Pacific Island deluge?

Has anyone else read how it is the Western Worlds responsibility for this occurrence and: FINSCAL responsibility lay there; so Give Me your Loot; or else.

Now, where else have I heard that?
What Dialectical Witchdoctor can conjure up such Hacked up Science to fit like a glove if Looting was not the intention?

There was a Nuremberg trial once to determine who is responsible
Posted by All-, Saturday, 17 February 2007 7:32:29 AM
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