Coach, Skid....

Little knowledge is dangerous….

And of course you will never accept your black history of treating human being like animals from Fiji to South Africa… these were your forefathers who displayed “Black and Dogs are not allowed” from South Africa to America… Women were treated like prisoners in USA not long ago they were not allowed to get education… the people from the land of your God Fathers (USA)carried innocent Black African from African countries and treated them like pet and slave in USA…. Who were those who brought the people from Indian continent as slave and dump them in Fiji…. It was your forefathers who colonalised and treated people Human being like animals from Fiji to South Africa not Muslims. Your grant grant parents in this country hunted and killed aborigines like animals .. How can you swallow these truth so what you do turn back to Muslim… but arguing with guys are useless because your job is to sit home and abuse Muslims and Islam to come over your guilt and regrets of the past.

Although most of us are tempted at times, personal attacks on OLO are generally a waste of time, merely bringing out the defensive in the other. However, the attack on, or spreading of ideas, can be quite constructive – even if some ‘unfortunate’ is to take offence.
In this light consider:

.The puritan trend in religion is uncompromising in its rejection of all forms of belief and ritual that do not qualify as the "true" religion of God (Consider the movement within 16th Century Christianity).

.As to the principles that should guide the interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims, the puritan trend cites the Qur'anic verse commanding Muslims to fight the unbelievers, "until there is no more tumult or oppression, and until faith and all judgment belongs to God." Qur'an 8:39.

. Relying on such textual evidence, Muslim puritans assert that Muslims are the inheritors of an objectively ascertainable and realizable Divine Truth; while Jews and Christians may be tolerated, they cannot be befriended. (Christianity has its strong medieval parralell).

. The Qur'an itself refers to general moral imperatives such as mercy, justice, kindness, or goodness. The Qur'an does not clearly define any of these categories, but presumes a certain amount of moral probity on part of the reader. For instance, the Qur'an persistently commands Muslims to enjoin the good (ma'ruf). Goodness, in the Qur'anic discourse, is part of what one may call a lived reality—it is the product of human experience and constructed normative understandings.

. The Qur'anic term for kindness is ihsan, which literally means to beautify and improve upon.

. The meaning of the religious text is not fixed simply by the literal meaning of its words, but depends, too, on the moral construction given to it by the reader. So if the reader approaches the text without moral commitments, it will almost inevitably yield nothing but discrete, legalistic, technical insights.
Cont’d...

Cont’d...

.As with the Bible, by emptying the Qur'an both of its historical and moral context, the puritan trend ends up transforming the text into a long list of morally non-committal legal commands.

. Holy war (in Arabic al-harb al-muqaddasah) is not an expression used by the Qur'anic text or Muslim theologians. In Islamic theology, war is never holy; it is either justified or not, and if it is justified, those killed in battle are considered martyrs.

. The Qur'anic text does not recognize the idea of unlimited warfare, and does not consider the simple fact of the belligerent's Muslim identity to be sufficient to establish the justness of his cause. In other words, the Qur'an entertains the possibility that the Muslim combatant might be the unjust party in a conflict.

. Islamic civilization produced a moral and humanistic tradition that preserved Greek philosophy, and generated much science, art, and socially benevolent thought. Unfortunately, however, the modern puritans are dissipating and wasting this inspiring moral tradition. They are increasingly shutting off the possibilities for a tolerant interpretation of the Islamic tradition.

. Ultimately and importantly, the Qur'an, or the Bible, speaks through its reader. This ability of human beings to interpret texts is both a blessing and a burden. It is a blessing because it provides us with the flexibility to adapt texts to changing circumstances. It is a burden because the reader must take responsibility for the normative values he or she brings to the text (as history has shown).

Malik,

I hope you have taken your tablets and feeling calmer now. Deep breath... that's better.

Now all the historical events that have been implanted in your sick mind are in the PAST TENSE. This is 2007.

So all your anger and violent behaviour is because someone was unkind to a black slave 200 years ago?

What was your prophet's excuse for allowing slavery as booty of his numerous massacres and pillage against his neighbours? Oh I forgot he was doing it under Allah's blessing, killing orphans, raping younf girls, boys, and widows, gouging old men's eyes and hearts. Nice man your prophet.

Have you forgotten that slavery really flourished with the Islamic conquest of North Africa? Islam was the catalyst to a vibrant slave trade to Europe. Nothing wrong with that either, it's all Bush's fault huh?

No I think the problem is that we have TOO MUCH knowledge of your violent religion that is making you so uncomfortable and angry. You can’t hide any longer behind your black veils and long beards, and Arabic texts. It’s all in the open now… and it’s ugly.

I invite you to accept Jesus (Isa) as your Lord and Saviour. He is the "right path" that you pray and ask Allah to show you about five times a day... then your anger may subside.

Ignorance is the lack of questioning.

I must agree with coach – Malik grow up.

I will never understand people who use terms like “innocent Black African from African countries and treated them like pet and slave in USA”

That was 200 years ago.

It is the same when Irishmen, of either denomination (protestant or catholic) go on and on about the battle of the Boyne.

What someones great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfathers might have done to their great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather has no currency today.

White men of today do not need to apologise for the slave trade.

White men do of today not need to apologise for colonizing Australia (or Africa or America for that matter).

And Non-Whites, of any colour, can just get over it.

I am responsible of my actions, not my forefathers.

You are responsible for your actions and are not entitled to anything for supposed wrongs your ancestors might have suffered. I have never been in favour of affirmative actions and what seems to being asked for is a lot more than affirmative actions.

Muslims in Australia do need to understand that the tolerance of the majority is tested when some bearded scrote tells me my daughters dress sense is akin to uncovered meat and Immigrants like him have a greater right to be here than someone whose ancestors came out here in chains. If Muslims want to be Accepted in Australia, I would sincerely suggest, as the new-comer, the obligation is first for Muslims to Accept Australia.

@Malik

If you don't mind me asking,where are you from? And are you blaming every whites person for happened?