"TRTL you’re entitled to your opinion, and thank you for sharing it :) But do you honestly believe the Bible is that evil" - Yngnluvnit

I never said I believe the bible is evil.

I suppose my chief issue is with using books so many thousands of years old, to justify why some people are right, and some are wrong.

In order to do this, the followers of either book need to convince others that theirs is right - which often means criticising other ancient texts.

In regard to the bible being written over many years - I don't have all the facts at my disposal, though in any undertaking such as this, there has to be a fair amount of interpretation along the way.

As the bible has been assembled over many years with various authors adding their perspective of gods will, why has this practice stopped? Why aren't we accommodating what we have learned in the last few thousand years, and adding more sections?

Ancient religions are only acceptable today, because their practitioners have evolved with time. Witch hunting, or stoning is not acceptable today, and I think you'll find the muslims of the modern era that are causing problems are those who have not made this progress and adhere to ancient dogma.

So if the christians have evolved beyond the more bizarre sections of dogma present in the bible... I can't help but wonder why we can't add another testament.

Ultimately, it is this rigidity and stubbon insistence that one religion is right, and all the others that is wrong that bothers me.
(Note that buddhists don't do that, and how many historical atrocities are attributed to them as opposed to Muslims and Christians?).

I guess that's my longwinded way of saying I don't believe the bible or koran are evil. It is how you interpret them that makes problems.

A good article indicating the problems the Muslim community is facing & i think it should be mentioned here that some people & their ghastly comments are the reason why the Muslim community is facing a further crises in Australia at the moment...I think its about time that people learn not to discuss the difference in religion & rather talk on issues that could have practical outcomes...if the chauvinistic dogma continues in this forum,it truly shows the negative perception & clearly indicates that Fair Australia aint Fair at all...

...by the way some people on this forum dont need to personally project their false views...with false thoughts...& URLs....& false pathetic analysis...its no wonder some people are actually feeding on these thoughts - A reminder that a opnions cant be turned into facts...

Bless this Forum & You All -
(hmm, now dont go argue on what God you do Worship)

Kenny, get your facts right. Do some research or STFU!
Are the texts of Judaism and Christianity just as bloodthirsty, just as likely to whip up hatreds and violence, as are the Qur'an and Hadith? We all know that in some of those texts (Old Testament) terrible things are written about the ancient Israelites and the Canaanites. But do Jews, have Jews, been going to synagogues and had rabbis whipping them up so that as they leave those temples they grab non-Jews yelling "kill the Canaanites"? Has that been a feature of Judaism for the past hundred years? Two thousand years? It is nonsense to compare the texts of either of the prior two monotheisms with those of Islam.
The Qur'an is riddled with hundreds of Jihad verses, and the softer suras are essentially cancelled and superseded by the harsher more violent verses. Ever heard about "naskh" or abrogation?
And dhimmitude, death to apostates, taqiyya and subjugation of women -- what are their Biblical equivalents?
What will it take? Must there be bombs in Jain temples, or at a Confucian altar, sufficiently publicized to make clear to all but the hopelessly stupid and those who are wedded to false symmetries and pat phrases? How much evidence had to be assembled before Copernicus could dare suggest that, after all, the earth really did travel around the sun? How much evidence needs to be accumulated about what is happening now, and what has been happening for 1350 years of Islam's aggression against all non-Muslims, for people to become their own little Copernicuses, and arrive at the unstoppable and ineluctable and unavoidable explanation of what is going on?

Malik splutters and seethes:
"Your problem is that you hatred-minded people trying to explain with your racist words…." EXCUSE ME! for not liking people who want me dead. What race is Islam again?
"Who started the colonization of people in the World...."
Muslims - North Africa, India, SE Asia, Spain, Balkans, Byzantium, Levant etc.
"Who dropped the atom bomb on Japan and killed millions…"
7/12/1941, America was attacked by Japan, a country governed by a militaristic, religious ideology, in pursuit of a divine empire, with indoctrinated soldiers who used suicide tactics. America chose the ruthless, offensive response. Three years eight months later, the Japanese surrendered, their country in ruins, their people starving.
Sixty years after the war, Japan remains free, productive, and friendly. Rather than seek America's destruction, Japan has become a staunch political ally, a robust free-market competitor, and an invaluable economic producer. Rather than build bombs and fighter planes with which to attack other countries, they build cars and computers.
"Who killed millions of Jews…."
The Nazis, aided and advised by Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Muslim Waffen SS units.
"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers - already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! - then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so." [August 28, 1942, midday] p. 667 "Hitler's Table Talk; 1941-1944" translated by N. Cameron and R.H. Stevens, Enigma Books,1953). Mohammed ethnically cleansed the Arabian Peninsular of Jews.
"Who has already killed around 10,000 Iraqi civilian …"
Saddam killed 180,000 Kurds and 300,000 marsh Arabs and since the war 'insurgents' have killed 30,000. The Yanks went out of their way to minimise civilian casualties, sometimes risking of their own troops. The Ethiopians, however, didn't prosecute their war with Islamists in Somalia recently with such restraint. They're now ready to leave. Problem solved!

Your comments are the same as your chosen name 'Skid Max' just piece of disgust – you are so biased and prejudist that you are trying to satisfy the drop of Atomic bomb on Japan – shame - Go and see in Japan how people young girls are being raped by American soldiers….. Japan has the highest rate of suicide. If Saddam killed 180,000 who provided the WMD to him to kill Kurds and Iranian. Your blammings on Islam, Prophet Mohammad and Muslims have no authenticity … this is just the creation of your hatred mind…

TRTL,

I hope I've answered your questions - I'm happy to discuss it further if you wish.

Malik,

Two words: Grow Up.

It is exactly people like you who perpetuate the diabolic writings of your religion.

If intelligent and seemingly educated Muslims (Moslem) like you still don’t differentiate between good and evil – cause and effect – what hope do we all have with the rest of illiterate Muslim populace?

So ALL Islamic strive and violence is the West’s fault?

Would you maybe concede a little that it could have something to do with the origins of your religion – a tiny little bit perhaps?

As long as we have people like you not demanding a religious reformation, Islam is going to continue to be the evilness of humanity.

As long as you don’t expect the “Bushes” of this world to sit on their hands and watch the destruction of modernity by a bunch of immoral thugs – it will be war as usual – bring it on or go back to your desert tents, minding your camels and wives.

Sorry to be blunt but isn’t that what Islam actually wants? To go back to seven century nomadic living? Or do you want to play with the big boys and use the Islamic (nuclear) Bomb first?