Skid Marx and Coach, well done I agree with your views. Is about time people woke up to the threat these people present, which is already evident in Europe, and increasingly so here in Australia

It wouldnt be so bad if Islam was a reasonable theology, that had been subjected to a wholesome and open debate in public, without any threat of violence, but it isnt, and it hasnt.

Fortunately, we have the Internet and can do our own researches in private, and frankly it is disturbing, as follows:

1. It is claimed by many Muslims, that the Koran is the immutable word of god, when this is a provable nonsense. It just cannot be the word of any sort of coherent mind, being confusing, contradictory and factually wrong.

2. It is claimed that the Koran is written in the purest arabic. This is utter rubbish,it is written in the languages of the time and contains a mix of Syriac and Aramaic etc. There was/is no such thing as a pure form of arabic any more than there is a pure form of an aboriginal language today.

3.It is clearly practised by people who are very adept at using our tolerance, to project their own intolerance, and dont care how they divide families or communities.

4.Their hypocrisy is astounding. They ban the mere presence of alcohol at mixed social gatherings and then get on a plane to Malaysia, flying Malaysian Airlines, of all things, which says it is proud of its "fine selection of wines". Dont believe me, look at their web site.

Unless they change their ways across all forms of the religion we are in for nothing but trouble.

Coach, the bible is a work of fiction just like the Koran. The bible\ Koran contain historical truths in the same way as a James bond novel does. It also contains a lot of mistakes falsehoods and down right silly things. It also contains a lot of hate just like the Koran and little bits of peace, love and tolerance just like the Koran. People of good faith will look at the goods bits and others will look at the bad. Many Muslim don’t believe in the separation of church and state and so do many Christians, if fact it’s a very new view in Christianity. I know one thing for sure there has never been a atheist suicide bomber.

Well, if I use this forum as a survey that at least it proves how many people have true knowledge on others’ culture and religion… the majority are very much impressed with the front page of daily telegraph…. Even some Idiots cannot write properly the world ‘Muslim’ and trying to explain what Islam is and what Muslims are …. But unfortunately ground realities for you of today are that… Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West including USA. The ratio of converting to Islam in America since 9/11 is the highest in the last century….. Your problem is that you hatred-minded people trying to explain with your racist words by looking the present political and repressive situation of Muslims around the world…. If today the people and the state are in turmoil in the Muslims world then the fact of the matter is that this is just because God Father America has been trying to control the world and you and wishfully supporting him if not physically but mentally why because he is your GOD FATHER…. How can you deny that these today’s most violent characters Osama, Saddam, Muqtada, Mullah Umer were the companions of CIA not long ago….

Who started the colonization of people in the World…. Are they Muslim or your forefathers…. Who dropped the atom bomb on Japan and killed millions… are they Muslims or your God Father USA…. Who killed millions of Jews…. Are the Muslims or your country fellow? Who has already killed around 10,000 Iraqi civilian … Saddam or the army of Your God Father….. list could go on and on but unfortunately this forum limited the length…

Kenny

There are up to 80000 murders of unborn children each year in Australia alone. They might not be suicide bombers but most claim not to believe in God.

Malik
Your driveling nonsense might have some credibility if it was supported by at least some facts.

If the USA wanted to control the world it had plenty of opportunity to do after the first and second world wars.

As for responsibility for the killing of the jews where better to look than at the exhortations in the Koran, and the involvement of the Mufti of Baghdad Husseini and his influence upon the Nazis, particularly Hitler himslef.

Pity about the ravings of that madman Ahmadienjad and his call to wipe Israel off the map... that sort of dents your argument a tad as well.

Pity also that the countries now dominated by Islam were not better models of enightenment and progress.How many are in the of 100 of Freedoms.

But back to the theme of this article we in Australia do need better leaders of the Islamic community than that demonstrated by the lunatics such as Al Hilali, and his obsequious mouth piece Keysar Trad.

Hamlet, don’t you think that’s an equation for anarchy? I agree, less authority figures is best, but just a little bit of it is quite necessary for the human condition, I think.

Rhian, maybe the Muslims could have a group of leaders, not just one single one. While diversity is important, I fear the Muslim community could go the way of multiculturalism without integration if they move not to have some sort of leader.

“Islam cannot exist unless it reigns supreme, i.e. in an Islamic State with full-blown Shari'a law.”
Yes I agree, whereas Christianity CAN live in a secular state- in fact a lot of the freedoms that we enjoy today in the West are as a result of Christian campaigners who wanted the freedom to worship God in their own (non-state-sanctioned) way. We see glimpses of this in modern society, with evangelical Christians and atheist civil liberties groups working together against religious vilification legislation (basically, blasphemy laws).

Coach, I think what TRTL was saying is that you can’t consider the Bible > Koran just because you say so. He wasn’t writing what he did to argue the Koran > Bible, he was just showing you how your arguments were coming across to him. I think its obvious he sees them both as equally false. Logically, they can’t both be true, either one must be false or both of them must be. He assumes both are, you assume Islam is.

“ancient people of cultures that no longer exist in any practical sense”
The Jews no longer exits?!?

“believed in witches”
You don’t believe in witches? Lol, perhaps you should ask Fiona Horne, amongst others, about that.

“sumerian merchant”
The fact that there are stories ALL OVER THE WORLD about a massive flooding, I think, would be in support of the Genesis account, not opposed to it.

Re: 2 of every “kind” (kind = closer to genus than species) look at AiG for their explanations, they’ve put a lot of work into trying to explain that.