hhaa that would be a turn around then wouldnt it....they are both rabid AL er`s but i have a soft spot for both of them as its really hard to condemn people that live on a vegie diet and cant think straight.

hello All

I sat back and watched this thread without comment to see where it would go.

It went the same way these debates have gone for decades.

I have a suggestion- and a Question.

The suggestion first.

How about we all rally together and find two people in each suburb of Australia to letter box drop this in their immediate neighbourhood.

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/media/Live_Export_Update_14Feb07.pdf

Ok now the suggestion.

Lets stop fighting over veggie verses main stream and just help the animals.

I am going to be honest with you all.

I cant make my mind up if this is politically motivated to narrow the argument regarding cruelty to animals by saying everybody should go veggie or its just incredibly bad leadership.

I also dont know if its true what some people say about PETA being fund raisers. Neither does anybody else.

I "do know" that any animal welfare organisation that argues we should all go veggie is with or without their knowledge or intention working 'against the animals".

This only gives fuel to the Government to pass onto the media that feeds the public ALL Animal Welfare groups are extreme.

So the question is - is this just a clever political ploy? or are these people so misguided with good intentions they cant see clearly.

Animals Australia who have done some fantstic work especially since Lyn White has been there are allowing all their efforts to be written off by the media to the public branding them as veggie extreme.

Free Rangefarms are of great interest to overseas people.
I keep telling you that but your not listening and not interested.

So the old question remains in 'my head' are they blind or is this political.

Are PETA for real or just as is rumoured- fund raisers.?


Recently the word hypocrite came up.

Well what is a hypocrite really when you think about it.
I just cant see donations to Veggie vegan Groups really helping to bring this to an end.
Wish I could.
After saying that Animals Australia and PETA have done far more than anybody

After saying that Animals Australia and PETA have done far more than anybody

Ha Ha I seriously doubt that ...ask an honest farmer!

Gryphon.

I know I cant have my foot in both camps but Animals Australia and PETA have done by large the farmers job already in a sense.

Farmers have a duty of care to the animals they breed.

Please dont say they are Ok until they are put on the boats because thats hypocritical.'

What have Animals Australia done really to the farmers?

Informed them about the way their animals are treated.

Farmers have been having hard times but all that is because you have been lied to.

They never asked the right questions. Got caught up with political the greedy middle men trickery and the trade Ministers.

Are you a farmer? If so I would like your help please.

We need the farmers to push the Governments to dropp red tape levies and councils to assist with new plants.

I need your help. I am asking farmers to meet with Muslim leaders and delagates.

They are interested in co joint vetures in abattoirs and they will pay a good price for stock supply.

Stop listening to the lies of the Government and agents that they have no electrity for god sake and the other furthy that -they require animals alive for religious purposes. Its all bull!

Each Premier of States are also Ministers of Trade for their own states.

They could quite easily over ride the Federal Government and open their own states to invite overseas buyers to co join with Australian partners- Easily!

Did you know the duties of the port folio for Trades Minister.

Mark Vaile wrote this to me>

To help assist NEW business ventures and `encourage overseas` interest to Australia.

Not send our raw material off in their most valuable form and our jobs with it destroying country towns.


We need REAL farmers to take control and stop relying on the so called representives with their vetted interests in the Live Animal trade.

I need your help. I am asking farmers to meet with Muslim leaders and delagates.

When i worked as a slaught i saw muslim halal killing many times....the cruelest way to dispatch a sheep is performed by them.....does AA know about that...throats cut without breaking the spinal column and without being stunned.

Gryphon is right. I visited a poultry abattoir last week that were thinking of converting to halal. They will have to remove the stunner from the slaughter line to be able to comply. How 'kind' is that?