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Lies, deception and paternity fraud : Comments

By Akiva Quinn, published 16/11/2006

Women’s rights good, men’s rights bad - sounds like doublethink to me.

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Than God you are here Col. Some sanity. Like Cheryl, I can't believe the rubbish ppl are writing about this. Yuyutsu for example, wtf are u on about dude? What do u know about Liam & why do u think u are in any position to judge that he deserved what happpened not just to him, but also 3 innocent kids? Like quite a few posters here, u are in for a very nasty shock later in life.
There is still a predeliction with adultery in this conversation, which obscures the actual issue of fraud. Whether Meredith screwed around during the marriage, secretly joined the IVF program or experienced immaculate conception, is all totally beside the point. The issue is that she knew Liam was not the father & consciously decided to misrepresent the identity of 2 children for financial gain. This included the divorce settlement which cost him a home & superanuation just for a start, but was based on 3 children rather than a single child, as it should have. The system has failed to correct this fraud because the farudster "may be disadvantaged".
It is like me stealing your car & selling it to someone. Simple & plain.
And Suebdootwo, u take a breath & repeat after me ...
"I am a gender fascist incapable of understanding that women often exploit marriage, their children & the system for undeserved financial benefit. In Australia this is very common & likely represents the major cause of delinquency, declining literacy & other forms of disadvantage amongst our young."
Posted by Nostradumbass, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 6:35:08 AM
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Cotter, about the "no fault" divorce. This of course, translates as "the male is always at fault" divorce. If you philander on your wife, you are accountable. If you wife philanders on you, you are still held accountable. In short, a wife or mother can do pretty well anything - including as seen in recent cases, murder the child -& face no consequences.
By compariosn, she need only fabricate even a transparent allegation about literally any male on the planet & it will be pursued at his or taxpayers' expense.
Personally, I wonder how it will end up. Blokes have sat around like a mob of half-stunned imbeciles so far on this, back-peddling from the entire "all males were born bad" thing. Sooner or later though, something will snap & I expect to see some very sudden & radical changes. In a way, it reminds of the "prima nocturne" laws forced on Scotland by the English which attacked the paternal rights of native Scots & caused the violent, Scottish rebellion. The system is aware of this, censors father's rights issues & generally seeks to thwart masculine-based activism as a result. Eventually though, men & women will start acting outside the parameters dictated by the femo-Nazi establishment through our legal & governement systems. Then, we might get something done for our kids.
Posted by Nostradumbass, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 7:27:45 AM
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Nostradumbass,

There is no need for me to know the specifics of the Liam case, because it is a law of nature: no one can be cheated unless they have hidden the truth from others, and in general, nobody can get in life anything but what they deserve.

You are very correct in writing: "It is like me stealing your car & selling it to someone. Simple & plain." - the point is that the laws of nature operate equally on paternity as on cars (and as for me, if you took the trouble of stealing my old car, nobody would want to buy it from you anyway).

You can of course try to patch the leaks, but it will not stop the flood, only delay it for a while, so what's the point? it is better to accept graciously the consequences of our past actions, then get on with life.

The only long-term solution to being defrauded (if that's an issue for you), is to refrain from defrauding others.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 8:20:00 AM
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Yuyutsu, "no one can be cheated unless they have hidden the truth from others, and in general, nobody can get in life anything but what they deserve."

Please explain?

How can you not be cheated unless you have hidden the truth?

Likewise
"The only long-term solution to being defrauded (if that's an issue for you), is to refrain from defrauding others."

Do you really believe that not defrauding others protects you from being defrauded? If so please explain how.

Is this some kind of extreme Karma belief?

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 8:56:29 AM
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The greatest love of all is a parent's love for their child.
Paternty Betrayal must be the greatest betrayal of all!

www.fathers4equality-australia.org
Posted by partTimeParent, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 9:12:28 AM
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You say,

The issue is that she knew Liam was not the father & consciously decided to misrepresent the identity of 2 children for financial gain. This included the divorce settlement which cost him a home & superanuation just for a start, but was based on 3 children rather than a single child, as it should have.

Well yes, that was what this case was about, as Kirby J clarified at Leave Hearing, ie deceit as a branch of fraud [common law], but of course the lawyers ignored his directions so he lost

Second problem is that Common Law don't apply if something is legislated and yes FLAct s 79A [AS I TOLD SHAZZA] provides that relief - BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK

Thirdly the matter of CSA paid/recovered IS also covered under CSAAct, so Common Law dont apply

The thing Kirby was "prompting" was the INTENT of the fraud, ie what is not covered by legislation is had Meridith/Liam and kids NOT been "DNAed"

IF one wanted to litigate under Common Law THAT was the only path, ie the 200 grand Meridith would have got simply by filling in the Form 101 at CSA [and she did not NEED birth cert as she was married to Liam]

Like neither is this rocket science or was Kirby talking in Swahili - but of course the lawyers did NOT want to Open the Floodgates [as in the RimmerGate case] so they remained silent

My explicit advice to Magill family was IF you want to litigate KEEP the kids out of it, ie KEEP the contact going as if nothing had happened, but Shazza abused me and said he could not possibly do that

The result is a victory for femmos and even Natasha Spot Destroyer this morning is pointing to the obvious "harm done by DNA tests" - well by using lawyers and taking their advice [in order to increase the boo hoo] the Liam case has done a great dis-service to any justice from these type of cases
Posted by Divorce Doctor, Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:21:34 AM
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