Braindrain and Rainier,
You blokes are wrong to try and claim it a credit to multiculture for the upsurge in Australian soccer. The various nationalities in the team is a result of our immigration policy.

What multiculturalism is responsible for is a lot of ethnic tension in opposing teams. This was so bad that, under David Hill, there were wholesale club name changes in effort to dampen down the ethnic tension and rivalary. The Croats and the Serbs still cannot have a soccer match without riots, burning c ars ang shots fired at buildings. Integration encourages togetherness and multiculturalism promotes seperatism.

Steve Madden,
Sure encouragement of integration is simple. No one ever said it was complicated. The idea being to get migrants to meet and socialize with others than their own ethnicity. Some migrants do this easily, others don't. Sure the bit about treatment of women is would be used if the migrant was muslim, simply because we are having a problem with the attitude to women by Ababic muslims.

In relation to sexual matters and surf clubs. Yes there have been some instances, but we also read about similar instances frequently relating to football club members.

yes..yes.. YESSSS its 'ME' :) #200

oK...serious now.

1/ THE GREAT HAM SANGER SAGA.... has RETURNED !

but the present incarnation of this cultural demon is not Hume Shire or Darebin, but UK. Also, perhaps due to either good or bad Karma (depending on your relative view of pigs and chickens) it has morphed into a HALAL Christmas CHICKEN. (Forced on the 4 out of 5 caucasian/English children for the sake of the 1 in 5 of 'Asian' origin (code for Pakistani Muslim usually)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/18/nhalal18.xml

I can't wait for the Left to yell "Petty English.. what a lot of fuss about nothing" :) grrrr

2/ SNEEKY... ok.. as Labor used to say "Its Time"..... may I ask something about your own background and ancestry ? Ethnic heritage etc ? You are quite a warrior for 'Multi Culturalism' and I find this rather unusual for one who I have been assuming to be of Anglo background. (I've recently joined Asio, but I'm skillfully disguised. :)

3/ MONO-CULTURE for AUSTRALIA. Sneeky, may I refer you to my thread where I labored the point quite passionately about how I view a future Australia and the ethnic composition/identity of the Aussie of 2morrow ?
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=164
You could comment here if you desire.

Banjo, I can't count how many times I've seen brawls between rival footy clubs over the years- but because they were mostly Anglo people- its not counted as 'ethnic tensions'. Makes for great media stories but is it any different from so called true blue Aussies doing the same? According to your warped views it isn't.

As old Hugh Mackay wrote:

Surely it's "Australian" to do whatever Australians do. It's Australian to smuggle drugs in and out of the country. It's Australian to minimise your income tax payments to the point where you're not actually pulling your weight as a taxpayer. It's Australian to cheat if you can get away with it - at work (PriceWaterhouseCoopers reports 47 per cent of companies have suffered some form of corporate crime, mostly committed by employees), on the sporting field (the "professional foul", for instance), or in personal relationships (where, these days, cheating on your partner scarcely counts as cheating at all).

http://www.theage.com.au/news/hugh-mackay/just-who-is-unaustralian/2005/06/19/1119119722702.html

And its particularly Australian to declare you don't like Multiculturalism but then lap up all the benefits that it provide you.

So you should stick your selective/biased observations where the sun don't shine.

Boazo D, i reckon your doctor is having a real giggle playing with your medication. Seriously

Huzzah! all hail Boaz - a cracking drive straight through the covers!

As to your question Boaz ( you others can look away now) born and bred hee Angloceltic mother Franco German father - way back - g parents and gg parents born here.
Metropolitan upbringing - educated by the good nuns and the beastly brothers - professional life in Metro melb until '93 then rural NSW Tas and Vic -

We are closer to being on the same page than you might think

Aqvarivs you are the one who is mischaracterising multiculturalism. For instance: you say: “It shouldn’t matter what the Greeks and Chinese think about he governance of Australia?” If they are Australian citizens, then of course it matters. This is democracy.

You say: “Playing at semantics to advocate political propaganda is social strife”. What? I don’t know what you are on about. Explain to me how one plays at semantics to argue a point. You’re the expert. You are the one applying sinful connations to multiculturalism. It is not a movement it is just an unavoidable situation. We can either make the most of it or go down the historically dangerous road of monoculturalism.

You say: “Having the social whole segmented to be represented by ethnicity or ‘culture’ pits one against the other for attention as well to meet the respective ‘needs’ of that ‘"culture(s)’ “. It doesn’t have to pit one against the other. If my representatives at local, state and federal level, start modi coddling one group over another then voters can consider this at the next election.

For instance: my representatives have been able to meet our public and private school funding needs without “pitting one against the other”. You have two groups who have different cultural needs and these are being met without major conflict. I think that this ability to meet the needs of various groups is generally the case in areas where common sense prevails and the representatives are energetic and responsive to reasonable requests.

You say: “The desire to achieve victim status becomes the highest social value and this leads the asccuser (sic) as moral authority.” Sigh! This is not relevant to anything I have said. Your opinion is internet trash. An extremist anti-Jewish site says almost word for word the same thing. Multiculturalism isn’t a victim it’s just a term to describe a social way of living. I agree that I have no more moral authority than other posters. (cont)

Aqvarivs. You say, “your multicultural politically correct teachers have failed you.”

That is a foolish assumption. My teachers taught me according to a curriculum. I wasn’t told about the Indigenous peoples; they taught me the British-only line; didn’t teach about other cultural ways etc, etc. I was taught according to what was politically correct at that time. I have studied and discovered and worked things out since high school. (Who’d a thought I would defend my old school teachers? Bless ‘em.)

Apparently my opinions are not politically correct in your culture - so thank God for multiculturalism. Yes you are correct the almost monocultural education system did fail to give me a fair and accurate account of my country. Perhaps this explains why others educated during time like the Pauline Hansons of this world, who apparently didn’t think things through, cause so much strife.

You failed to address my points and resorted to playing the person and even assumed (invented) a history to further your position. That you resort to positing silly assumptions about my teachers says a lot more about your integrity and your lack of reasoned opinion than you think. Your lack of integrity and diligence when presenting an “argument” suggests that your education fell short of the mark.
If you think I will ever integrate into your culture of unfairness then you are wrong.

I hope posters can see that the stuff that aqvarivs regurgitates is what causes strife. It is not logical and it is not grounded in any reasonable assumptions-it is truly propaganda.

And don’t let posters who happen to hold the same opinion as you delude you aqvarivs. It is biased opinion and more disrespectful than an honest appraisal.

I’ll continue to regard posters as well intentioned despite their obvious tactical approach. We’ll have a better chance of having a productive discussion if posters stay focussed on the problem of social fragmentation. For instance: how much influence does text messaging have on social fragmentation – probably more than racism?

Thus far there is nothing here to even influence let alone convince.