Good article Saeed,

I guess like there is Islam and Islam-ism, there is secular and secular-ism ...Its the -ism we should watch for always.

Boaz, and ‘Philo’sophical Philo,

Me quoting Muir on a number of occasions does not mean I support everything he said. At the end he is a missionary so his version of truth have boundaries.
Since you are so hot on the truth about the prophet of Islam, here is a 'cadeau' from Deedat about Mohammed (pbuh) in the Bible.

http://www.jamaat.net/muhinbible/muhinbible.html

"Sometimes we have to state something outside the boundaries of our normally accepted range of solutions/punishments to challenge our entrenched and often inherited thinking"
Indeed!
Enjoy the truth about the Bible’s last prophet (just stirring!).

Peace,

I don't know Boaz, debate is good, but don't you think the debate surrounding immigration and Islam is heated enough already? I think it would be best to try and keep the tone down rather than inflame it.

Also, and please don't take this as provocation, I do actually want to hear your answer, I thought that the death penalty was something Christians disagreed with, am I wrong? how is it justified in Christian doctrine?

I ask because I could never reconcile what I thought was an absolute injunction not to kill (except maybe in cases of immideate danger?) and the American religeous right support of Governors notorious for supporting the death penalty.

Easytimes states that we cannot do anything about 'the sordid people who are already here'
Why not? Is this cancer in our society going to be free to kill, rape, bully? Only the total breakdown of law and order will permit that to happen.
I would hope that for the protection of Australians , those 'sordid people' will be well and truelly sorted out and deported right back to the third world places they came from. We owe them nothing but we should have the right to expect them to behave themselves for the privilege of living here.